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wtaylorg:
I came into the Cleveland Seed in Oct of '78. I had done a little pot, but mostly I committed juvenile pranks like breaking into my girlfriends house, that kind of stuff. I had a choice of the Seed or Youth Commision. I choose the Seed, to my chagrin, today.
I turned 15 my second day there and the staff brought me a cake when my oldcomer came to pick me up that night. They didn't tell me it was from my Mom. Go Figure!

The Seed closed after I was there maybe 1 month. They came to me and said they wanted to take me to Ft Lauderdale to finish my program. They had spoken to my Mom and said that she wanted to take me out of the program. But, they wanted me to be apart of things and that they had my best interest at heart.

I was down there for another 2 mos and my Mom was calling like hell to have me graduated so I could come home. I remember Lybbi telling me my Mom was a bitch and she didn't really care about me.
To make a long story short I was graduated around Christmas of '78 and went home. By then I belived that my family were "assholes" as I was told by the staff. I came home shunned old friends, wore my Seed badge and shirt and waited until I could move back to Fl at 18.

I moved to the Ft Lauderdale Seed  from 1982-1985. During that time I saw the "cult" go from what I remembered being over a couple hundred members to about forty. Like another poster Cleveland, who I know, but will not say his name at this point, I lived with Bob W. and saw alot of the inner workings, but was never in the inner circle. I witnessed Art yelling at his wife shelly and calling her names that to this day I've never heard a man ever use that language in talking to his wife.(unbelievable)

I used to think at times what happened to Hank? or ?. Staff who had been there when I was on my program, but when I would ask Bob W., He'd look at me like don't ask that.

Well, I had thought of old Art the asshole the other day, and just by chance entered in his name in Google. What a great thing this forum is for us former Seedlings. When I saw John Perloff's picture, I had to laugh. I guess the assholes are now torturing dogs.I will have to send my brother the link, he went to school with him.

Anyways, I just wish that when my Mom had wanted to send me to a Columbus, Oh drug rehab after 30 days at the Seed, I would have agreed. If only life gave you do overs.

Wtaylorg

Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2005-01-21 15:34:00, wtaylorg wrote:

"I lived with Bob W. and saw alot of the inner workings, but was never in the inner circle. I witnessed Art yelling at his wife shelly and calling her names that to this day I've never heard a man ever use that language in talking to his wife.(unbelievable)

Jimmy Cusick:
Good story Dude!!!
Im glad you got close to the inner circle to see Art Barker be himself. I was in the Florida seed from July 1st, 1974 to August17, 1975 when I graduated and we moved to Cleveland. I spent alot of time at the Cleveland seed until I went in the military in feb 77. I never talked to Art but I was around him at times when he was on such a pedastal, he was so lofty, such an ego-maniac. I can just imagine him suspecting his young wife of sleeping around. He-he-he couldnt happen to a nicer guy.

The difficult thing about writing this is that I fell for his charade. Time after time in the summer of 74 he would walk into the middle of the group with Libby and shelly and countless good lookin babes following him around, their eyes sparkled, their faces smiled. Art would tell us about taking over the world and damn if I didnt believe him. He got me but I was young and vulnerable. Oh WELL. Those days are long gone.

Peace and Love to all seedlings,
Jimmy

wtaylorg:
Because I lived with a senior staff member Bob W., at that time the only senior guys staff member, I witnessed alot of crazy shit. Once, there was a situation involving Ray K. If anyone remembers the Kienzle bros? Anyways He and Laura, a former chicks staff member were having a relationship that was not condoned by Art or the Seed. If anyone remembers this story please add  some other thoughts. I remember this relationship went on for several months behind everyone's back.

Eventually, thay were caught and Laura was asked to either admit to her lie and, I'm not real clear on what they wanted her to do, either start on the front row again or just admit to the group her backstabbing, because that was how they(art and staff viewed this).
All I know is we never saw Laura again. Ray, came into the group for a few weeks and just sat and was never called on.
Eventually, he left one day after meeting with Lybbi and never came back.
Sometime passed and they were rumors that he was out to "get" the Seed. One night Bob W. received a call at his house, where about 4 of us lived,  that Ray K. Had painted graffitti all over bridges and trees and stuff in and around Art's very nice neighborhood that was near the intercoastal.
We had to get buckets, kerosine and brushes and scrub all this stuff off of walls and trees and other stuff near Art's house that Ray had spray painted messages about Art and the Seed. This stuff was pretty sick stuff about Art, like how he brainwashed and stuff. It was true though.

I remember being out there at 4:00 am, scrubbing palm trees with kerosine running down and burning my arms,  thinking what in the fuck am I doing this for. It wasn't long after that I started to really think about what I was doing down there and why? My time as a worker bee, doing that kind of stuff was getting pretty old by then. This was around '84-'85.

Anonymous:
...good to hear from you, please post more. Let's complare notes on the Seed, and post-Seed days...

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