PLEASE RESPOND: Were people ever restrained at your school?

[miseducated]

Over on the Teen Help Industry forum, there is a lot of talk about kids getting restrained. Would CEDU folks like to post their experiences with restraint at your school? Please discuss specific examples, what was happening that caused someone to get restrained, how exactly the restraint was done (including getting drugged), how long it lasted, and any other details you would like to give.

Thank you, it will help everyone to be informed.

[chinsk]

Wow, where to start.

The only place I was ever restrained was at Ascent but I have seen restraints at all schools.

I was restrained for headbutting a staff member
I was restrained for running
I was restrained for punching a staff member
I was restrained for attacking a staff member

These were all at ascent and I guess I kinda deserved it.

At BCA I saw a kid get restrained for punching out a window and kicking a door.

At ascent I can't even remember how many times someone got restrained either for refusing to do something or attacking another staff.  It happened so much there its hard to pinpoint events.

[shanlea]

I was at CEDU-RS for six months in the late eighties. I never saw anyone restrained. Apparently, California has stricter policies than other states. (It's been said that Utah and Idaho are much less hindered by these protective measures and restaints are more common.) Everyone was well aware that staff were not permitted to touch you. I can honestly say that I don't remember any students attacking a staff member, either.  Or requiring restraints.

In another thread, SOS describes how he was physically provoked by a staff member who lied about it; I'm sure it happened other times as well. Staff were not exactly known for ethics and honesty.

When I split, one of my aces in the hole was knowing they could not physically prevent me in any way.  Someone witnessed me splitting and could only try to discourage me verbally. At other facilities, they could use physical power.

But honestly, it wasn't used or required. They used fear, isolation, and threats to keep you in line.

I am actually surprised that more students didn't punch the living heck out of staff given the way they were verbally abused and publicly humiliated in the worst ways possible.

[shanlea]

I was at CEDU-RS for six months in the late eighties. I never saw anyone restrained. Apparently, California has stricter policies than other states. (It's been said that Utah and Idaho are much less hindered by these protective measures and restaints are more common.) Everyone was well aware that staff were not permitted to touch you. I can honestly say that I don't remember any students attacking a staff member, either.  Or requiring restraints.

In another thread, SOS describes how he was physically provoked by a staff member who lied about it; I'm sure it happened other times as well. Staff were not exactly known for ethics and honesty.

When I split, one of my aces in the hole was knowing they could not physically prevent me in any way.  Someone witnessed me splitting and could only try to discourage me verbally. At other facilities, they could use physical power.

But honestly, it wasn't used or required. They used fear, isolation, and threats to keep you in line.

I am actually surprised that more students didn't punch the living heck out of staff given the way they were verbally abused and publicly humiliated in the worst ways possible.

[Son Of Serbia]

Here's the link to the thread shanlea mentioned
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?mo ... rt=0&Sort=

As you will see Rudy Bentz tried to man-handle me once (I assure you he never tried that with me again).

Additionally, when I was at Cedu-RS (91'-92') there was a staff named "Wolfgang" who worked with the MIDDLE SCHOOL kids.  He was one scary dude.

Whenever the middle school kids would act up or disrespect "Wolfgang", he would wrestle them to the ground and sit on them for periods up to and exceeding 5 to 10 minutes at a time.
I watched Wolfgang do this at least a dozen times, to several different middle schoolers.  
One kid that I saw wolfgang sit on repeatedly was a rather small 11 year old boy named "Jimmy" who was diagnosed as having "Turrets Syndrome"
amoung his other psychological problems.

Apparantly Wolfgang felt he had the right to sit
on Jimmy, whenever the kid pissed him off, Even though it is a medical fact that little Jimmy could not control what he said.

Talk about ignorant and untrained staff......

[mikehunt]

kids were restrained ALL the time at CMS.

here's an example:
you've got this kid.. the kid is flipping out; running around screaming, calling people names and talking dirty, etc.  people are chasing him around trying to calm him down, but the more people chase him, the more he freaks.
so you've got a staff member who's feeling challenged here; they don't know what to do, this kid is "out of control" (out of their control, at least)
so, they do the only thing that cedu condones in such a situation.... run after the kid, tackle him to the ground, then hold him in the restainers lap (or whatever works... sometimes the kid was on the ground with staff on top of them, but most the kid would be pulled into the staff member's lap and the staff member would hold the kid's arms in a straight jacketed position.)

god, everything that ever happened at cedu was relative to some sort of power struggle.

[mikehunt]

by the way,
this usually happened to the littlest kids... you know, the really attention hungry, immature, pre-pubescent 10 year olds.

[dniceo7]

People being restrained was hardly an issue at BCA (the only place I can really speak about...)

If a student was ever restrained, which in all actuality was quite rare, it was usually for the direct safety of another student or a staff member (some of the staff I absolutely despise, but I'd still hate to see anyone get hurt).

BCA abuse was on the mental and social side. Not the physical, restraining aspect of the school. Let's face it; staff were getting the boot left and right at BCA for much less than physical abuse, so I can only imagine what would've happened to, say, an Assistant Team Leader if they abused their restraining 'privilege'.

[Anonymous]

While I was working at BCA I saw a girl have her arms twisted behind her back by an escort who is about 6 foot 5. As she was screaming "help me" he bent her over against the wall and handcuffed her. This took a long time and was torture to watch.

Three people witnessed this Two therapists and a staff member - Two of us were crying. These reatraints are often used to hospitalise or send to Ascent kids who have been put in marathon table restrictions (that can last up to a month or more) and/or attanded marathon workshops where they were ridiculed en masse with words like "you are nothing but a" -- "slut, whore, bum. stupid, retard" to "break them down" in order to bring out their "feelings". The more they scream and wale, the more "therapeutic" the process is believed helpful according to staff. This is BULL. This process was only developed and used during the 60s and early 70s for mentally healthy individuals in bio-energetic, EST or Lifespring self improvement courses that were later sued and  made to get signed consent and verification of no mental illness from clients warned that these prosesses could be harmful who signed away their rights.

Most at BCA who underwent these incidents were bipolar (Manic Depressive), suicidal, psychotis, Aspbergers, Bordeline etc. These processes were deemed totatally innappropriate, long ago and abandoned as coercive and abusive, processes. However they are still done at BCA by people with no training or even college education who have no idea what they are doing

They often make kids have a psychotic break. then they (the kids) are restrained in this way and taken to the hospital. The cause of the psychotic break is not the kid. It is the CEDU program and staff that cause it.

I was a therapist who left because I could not watch this anymore without going insame myself. I repeatedly asked them to stop doing this and offered alternative solutions and the response was always Latresa overriding the therapists and saying "the therapists just don't understand what we do here."

They keept doing it over and over anyway, and kids keept going psychotic, being restrained and eventually hospitalized. Finally, don't expect any help from child protective services of the Idaho licensing authority. I reported thios repeatedly to all of them and they repeatedly ignored every report. I think they get payola.

[Anonymous]

While I was at BCA I saw only one restraint, It was with a female student. She was attempting to drink bleach and the staff was just trying to stop her. she wasn't hurt. but bleach was thrown all over the place on everyone.

[Anonymous]

I never saw anyone restrained.

[Anonymous]

Still, the worst abuse is mantal abuse and is everywhere all of each day at all of the CEDU program schools,

[Anonymous]

There's physical restraint and psychological restraint. Often the physical causes less damage.

[Anonymous]

I was restrained at cedu hs for refusing to sleep in the pit.  The staff who did it doesnt work there any more though and i was restrained at ascent A LOT in the begining.

[Anonymous]

Isn't that a no-brainer? Some of the kids are going to see if they can get away with the same threatening or manipulating behaviors they were doing at home---it would be kind of stupid to pay $$$ to send them somewhere and let them threaten themselves and others (as a poster a few back said some BCA girl tried to drink bleach and was restrained)

Maybe drinking bleach is all good with some of the morons who post here---if I have a kid who is that out of control and manipulative I want someone to intervene---if I'm not there or able to do it, I think that the school should be liable if it doesn't intervene