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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2009, 09:19:35 PM »
Does anybody know FOR SURE if Governor Crist was indeed a "Seedling"?I know,for sure,either Steve or Brent(not Greg)Sembler was one,but I don't have conclusive evidence of Charlie's participation.Everybody knows which side I'm on,but all of our credibility is at stake on this one.

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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2009, 11:25:27 PM »
Link to the particular post in question:

http://www.orangetoiletnews.com/?p=443
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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2009, 07:39:13 AM »
Quote from: "Sam Kinison"
Does anybody know FOR SURE if Governor Crist was indeed a "Seedling"?I know,for sure,either Steve or Brent(not Greg)Sembler was one,but I don't have conclusive evidence of Charlie's participation.Everybody knows which side I'm on,but all of our credibility is at stake on this one.

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Hyya Sam

It was Brent, according to Shirely Ward. Brent stayed in thier home with thier oldest son. She recalled how Brent loved her brand of "suthern cooking". Any who stayed in this home knows that they were not finacially at the top of the food chain. But Shirely and her husband, Ralph, were (although strong Seed and Straight Inc. supporters) gracious and kind to ALL who entered thier home. It must have been a culture shock for Brent, but according to Shirely, he adapted well, and made comments to the effect of he felt more "at home" there than he did in his own home with Mel & Betty. No doubt. The Ward family, although poor as church mice, were truely the salt of the earth.

I have had two run-ins with Brent Sembler, once at a function held for his father in Tampa. He walked up to me and asked what all the hub-bub was about. Still amped up from the protest. He asked me why I was yelling and that we could simply talk and so we did. I gave my point of view about Straight Inc. he listend intently and seemed, or at least genuinely interested in what I had to say. (just because he is ultra wealthy (due to his daddy) doesnt mean he doesnt have memories of the Seed and maybe secretly sympathetic to our plea.

My second run in with him was at his own house. I was called to the house on a service call. His wife, Debbie was not availible(she runs the finacial aspect of the house). He was running about his office and various part of the house scrambling to find his check book. While waiting I observed a plethoria of photos with the Sembler family embracing various members of the Bush family from Sr, "W" and the younger "Jeb". Also there were several pictures of Charlie with various members of the Sembler family. It was clear, perhaps to no one but me that Charlie like the Bush family are deeply in bed with the Sembler clan.

In some respect I feel for Brent. Born with a silver spoon in his mouth and now employed by his father, he cant speak without the silver spoon ratteling around his mouth. It would be easy to say he "sold out" and "can't stand up to daddy"...but chances are, he CAN'T. His wife, Debbie, is kind enough, seemingly gracious and into all kinds of charities, but I sensed that she married "UP" and is caught up in the lifestyle funded by her father in-law. I wondered if Brent ever had spoke with Debbie about the Seed. I wondered if he told the horror stories and if so how she felt towards her father in-law.

I had a sneaking suspicion Brent recognized me from the protest while we spent time together looking for his check book. A few days later Debbie called to verify the prices and services rendered, we went over the invoice with a fine tooth and comb. I have not been there since. I looked at my charges and they were not out of bounds, I did not charge them anymore than I would have any other for services rendered. But I just can't help but to think that Brent put 2+2 together and remembered the protest and remembered my face, as we did talk face to face and looked each other in the eyes. It is my assumption that Brent mentioned this to Debbie and she, "the protector" found another company to provide the service they required.

Yeah, I feel for Brent. I can only imagine the secret rage and anger he harbors, and can't say anything about it, lest he loose favor in the family. Are Brent and Charlie good friends? I think that is a safe bet. Is Charlie a star child in Mel Semblers eyes? You betcha! He epitomises the "secrert society" of achievers he had hoped for when starting Straight Inc. And if that is askew from the facts. I think it perfectly safe to say that Charlie Crist is but yet another minion of Mel Sembler. From Attorny General, to Govenor, to the Senate....and bet my last doughnut that a presidential pursuit is not to far in the future. The higher Charlie climbs, the deeper in debt to Mel Sembler and family he will be. Kinda like the Bush family.

True, I have the mind of a conspiracy theorist, yet in this regard I think it a conspiracy probablity. Ask yourself, how will Charlies advance in politics benifit Mel Sembler...what country will he be appointed to as ambassador this time?

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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 04:36:31 PM »
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Is Charlie a star child in Mel Semblers eyes? You betcha! He epitomises the "secrert society" of achievers he had hoped for when starting Straight Inc. And if that is askew from the facts. I think it perfectly safe to say that Charlie Crist is but yet another minion of Mel Sembler. From Attorny General, to Govenor, to the Senate....and bet my last doughnut that a presidential pursuit is not to far in the future. The higher Charlie climbs, the deeper in debt to Mel Sembler and family he will be. Kinda like the Bush family.

True, I have the mind of a conspiracy theorist, yet in this regard I think it a conspiracy probablity.

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I believe that this theory was addressed, albeit incompletely, by Idreamofnewtonsburning in one of his disturbingly prophetic "str8 hate" fiction diatribes:


viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8024&start=0&hilit=THE+WORST+OF+ALL+POSSIBLE+WORLDS
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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2009, 06:09:44 PM »
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Is Charlie a star child in Mel Semblers eyes? You betcha! He epitomises the "secrert society" of achievers he had hoped for when starting Straight Inc. And if that is askew from the facts. I think it perfectly safe to say that Charlie Crist is but yet another minion of Mel Sembler. From Attorny General, to Govenor, to the Senate....and bet my last doughnut that a presidential pursuit is not to far in the future. The higher Charlie climbs, the deeper in debt to Mel Sembler and family he will be. Kinda like the Bush family.

True, I have the mind of a conspiracy theorist, yet in this regard I think it a conspiracy probablity.

I wish all
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woof

I believe that this theory was addressed, albeit incompletely, by Idreamofnewtonsburning in one of his disturbingly prophetic "str8 hate" fiction diatribes:


http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... BLE+WORLDS

I did look at the post you mentioned above. As you mentioned it is "one of his disturbingly prophetic "str8 hate" fiction diatribes". Some operative words 'prophetic', 'fiction' and 'diatribes are of key importance. Unfortunately untill there is indesputable evidence of Charlie being in the Seed, the subject is speculative and conjecture, essentually, a moot point.

Now, if Charlie admits incarceration in the Seed, or if enuff folks come forward and say , yes, Charlie was in the Seed then we have something to really chew on and a host of questions to formulate to present to him...ya know "Conformation Hearings" and all that....This is usually when the shiznit hits the fan. This is when 60 Minutes, Date Line, Wolf Blitzer and other news orginizations will be like shark in freshly chummed waters. And it wouldn't take long before Mel Semblers name will surface. I dont think it's difficult to see responsible reporters ripping apart the ambassadorships for each of the Bush presidents (remember the building named after Mel Sembler that Bush Ok'd....but later denied doing so...then said it was an oversight) Man, talk about defacing goverment property, Itallian government property.

Mel has had two presidents in his pocket and a governer. I suspect he didnt get results he desired with a mear governer, so Jeb, well, he stepped quietly into the shadows. But consider this, Charlie was Attorney General and then in a landslide was voted governer. I am not sure he has been in office a year yet and he said in a press conference, "I can do more for the people of florida in the US Senate". But what I wonder if what he meant to say and the truth of the matter is he can do more for Mel Sembler in the US Senate which of course is a stepping stone to the presidency of the United States....which is like an "A-TIcket" ride for Mel Sembler.

And lets face it, What kinda favoritisim is Mel Sembler to expect from Barak Obama? Certainly not what he coulda gotten from from McCain. Now that I consider it a lil more indepth, Betty Sembler is probably doing an old Linda Blair neck twist knowing Obama smoked Hawian weed and snorted coke. Sure, "W" did the same things but he was a "C student" (average idiot) and she knew he was a roll over, just get his momma or daddy on the phone.

If for no other reason than to thwart Mel & Betty's power over the presidency...lets keep Obama in office untill he at least legalizes pot and uses the taxes to dig our way out of the hole....That will make Betty's bullshit propoganda plain and simple to see for what it is....Bull Shit propoganda.

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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2009, 07:26:02 PM »
Woof(and others)
I hate to do this but correction on Mr.S having only one Governor in Jeb.You forgot the one term alleged Scientology puppet Robert Martinez.The good news is that by the time,if he ever gets there,Crist makes it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,Mel's advancing age and failing health(i.e. Penis Pump)will keep him from ever reaping the fruits of such a labor.Obama(thanks to the ineptness of George W.)is already a practical shoo-in for a second(RIP White House asperations for MILF Sarah Palin)term probably paving the way for at least a one,if not two,term presidency for Hillary Clinton.Mel reaping the benefits of a Crist Presidency seems highly unlikely.However,if Crist was indeed a Seedling,he should come forward.Betty Sembler thinks she was right to put Brent in the Seed.The program,in her word at an open meeting 32 years ago,left him with the wisdom of a sage.She said that the program gave her and Mel the perfect son.Now you folks know why I'm so forgiving of my mother at that time.The pitch was too good.What we went through was unforgivable,but even the most seasoned listener is vulnerable to the right pitch at the right time.You're right Woof,it would be monumental to hear Brent Sembler give his side of the story without the fear of parental reprisals.What we don't think about is that we were not the only ones being brainwashed.A lot of parents will agree,how do you react to"heed our words or you will be visiting your child in the graveyard"?.It's a powerful,horrifying presentation that is said throughout the nation that needs to be hushed.This is fraud being perpetuated by professional hucksters.Brent Sembler and Charlie Crist are in the unique position of silencing this fraud once and for all.
If Charlie Crist went through the Seed,then he is one of us and needs someone to open his eyes.
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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2009, 09:24:34 AM »
Hyya Sam

Ya mentioned "The good news is that by the time,if he ever gets there,Crist makes it to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue,Mel's advancing age and failing health(i.e. Penis Pump)will keep him from ever reaping the fruits of such a labor."---Getting (Sembler) his boy (Crist) to "1600 Pennsylvania" may very well be Semblers last    Hoo-Rah. And your right he may not live to reap the benifits of getting "just one more" into the white house.

Yet two words creep into my mind in this regard 1) Legacy 2) Dynasty. For the most part he has this wrapped up. And I also tend to think he has been "reaping the fruits" for over a quarter of a century. Credit where credit is due, Sembler has made a huge name for himself in properties, strip centers/malls, stand alone buildings that always seem to be rented by the big boys in the Retail industry, Banking industry and Drug Stores (CVS, Walgreens and the like). Sembler has made such a name for himself that local Commercial Realitors think of him with God like reverence. Ok fair enuff, he made a name for himself in commercial properties.

But his and her (Betty's) thirst for power do not, and has not ended there. I needn't go into the mearly obvious sideline interests that evoke such rage in so many of us that have paid with our youth and adolescence. Perhaps if Mel woulda stuck to his vocation and ran his company and minded his own buisiness, hell sponsor a little league baseball team, or anything along those lines. Maybe then he would have a level of respect and who knows, a little of admoration from the community. Now, the public at large see him as a mogul and a cold hearted one at that. Recall the massive speaker that fell on a toddler while on one of his properties. At first, probably because of demands from the media and the general public, he or the "Sembler Corporation" agreed to take care of the childs health care bills. The childs family learned months latter (around x-mas time) that the Sembler Corporation had rescended it offer to take care of the expences. On or about x-mas day the family had to be evicted from thier home and the community jumped in to assist the family in finding adequate housing and care for the child. This did not sit well with the community at large. The Sembler Corporation now has a stain on it's reputation (as if it didn't already) within the community.

Yeah, my parents got sucked into the whole Betty Sembler pitch regarding her perfect son, Brent. Adoringly the parents eyes looked to the seemingly peacefull family, the handsome young son, proud father, loving/careing (gag) mother. And of course this was the Holy Grail for parents of that time period, amidst all the turmoil and paranoia of the 70's. And of course Ms.Pete was in a state of euporia with type of "unsolicited endorsement"...but come on, that was such a staged event and a regularly staged event. If it were not the royal Sembler family, it was the Case family and if all else failed Ms. Pete would "tell her story"about her heroin addicted daughter. In hind sight it had all the makings of a southern baptist revival meeting for the parents. These in-house promotions whipped the parents up into a frenzy. I recall scores of newbie parents being escorted out of the open meeting to have thier heads further filled with propoganda. With check book in hand parents sold thier children to the unqualified, unethical, untrained and the unscrupulious.  Yes, the "pitch" was that good.

I didn't see your point at first about Charlie and Brent and thier responsibility to come forward. As far as Brent goes, he is a private citizen and as such zero obligation to say or do anything other than live the best life his has the opportunity to. Charlie on the other hand is in public office and as such should be required to offer full, open and honest disclosure about his past. Not that he hasnt closed down the boot camps and made some attempts...but this was all under tremendious public pressure to do so. I am sure Mel and Betty had a few sleepless nights when that descion went down.]

As a person, who I havent met, I like Charlie. But I agree with you, he is one of us, in a sence. He is a unigue position to speak up. Now I would bet he has had all his records sealed. Well, maybe not sealed, but lost. (Just like a vast majority of our records...not sealed, probaqbly not lost, but destroyed. As the saying goes "if it ain't on paper, it never happened" It would have to come directly from him (charlie). Put lets face it, if he were to do so it may very well be political suicide, not to mention crossing the Sembler family.

Sam, I agree 100%with you. But I for one am not going to hold my breath. The further one goes up the political ladder, the less likely he is to be forthright and spill the beans on his past. To many asses to kiss, to much groveling to up and discuss his past...which, well I haven't alot of hope or faith to think that he will. Self disclosure kills, especially in the game Charlie is playing now.

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Re: The Manchurian Candidate Charlie Crist
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2009, 12:08:55 AM »
I thought that Brent was a Florida State Senator.If not,I stand corrected,he can listen to his demons in silence.Governor Charlie,although I don't expect it,would probably do himself a favor by coming out,I can assure you,the DNC has the same info with much better fact finding tools.By rejecting the religious right(Thank God for that!),this current admistration and probable subsequent ones might become our avenging angel and the savior to future generations.Those,like Woof's father and my mother,who would rather institutionalize their children then confront their own demons have a day of reckoning awaiting.By just mentioning the President did more drugs then I did and didn't die nor go to Straight is like flatulating in church around these people.Straight saved nobody from an eventual demise and most certainly hastened the demise of many of their victims.If this administration made it their business to eliminate(or at least regulate strictly)such an industry,we will all stand vindicated.Just make the Democratic National Committee aware of Governor Charlie's questionable adolescence.Believe it,with Mel Martinez' seat vacating,all leads will be pursued.Senate seats are campaigned for at the state level,but directed by national advisors.

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