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rod:
Cathy,
If you are still living in the same neighbourhood as Enie Peterman please tell her that Rod said hello and that I hope her and her family are doing well.We knew each other at Bogie.She entered the Seed a few months before I did
Robin Martin:
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Cathy,
If you are still living in the same neighbourhood as Enie Peterman please tell her that Rod said hello and that I hope her and her family are doing well.We knew each other at Bogie.She entered the Seed a few months before I did"
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Enie was instrumental in my recovery and one of my VERY favorite staff - please tell Enie I say "hello" and hope all is well w/ her world. I don't imagine she would remember me, personally, but would like to thank her just the same!
rod:
On 2005-03-17 01:17:00, Robin Martin wrote:
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--- Quote ---Must have been the latter, since I was not of driving age at the time. I chose to go to the Seed. I was not under any external threat or compulsion. I get the impression this was a bit unusual, but I guess it explains why I wasn't yelled at or locked in. I was not a flight risk.
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DITTO, My friend...It's good to know we were not all "Gregs" or "Gingers" :eek: "
Hate to burst ya alls bubble but I signed myself in,was motivated,wanted to learn,participated like crazy and got out of my two week program and into my three month program
rather quickly.I was well behaved and treated fairly well by staff.I was never come down upon until I left but then forced to return.Why did a motivated,hardworking seedling decide to leave.
I got this gut feeling that something was seriously wrong.That gut feeling had been evolving for a while and started with the come down sessions.I remember some heavy duty ones.When I tell others who haven't a clue about the Seed or straight about the come down sessions thier mouthes drop in shock.But the realization came while I was on my three months and it had to do with the amount of food.You should be able to figure that out.
As I said before ,do a little more reading and research.The thing is, after a little studying a few years after getting out ,I realized that,in
that gut feeling I was right.The question we should be asking is: does the end justify the means?In other words,do we as free civillized Americans believe in the abolishment of basic constitutional rights and condone the use of torture(some things that happened at the seed would be seen as torture under international law,deprivation of sleep and water for example)on children?If we do believe that it's o.k. then maybe we shouldn't be calling ourselves American!And actually you can look at this politically. The same people who created straight Mrs.Sembler
being one, was out telling protesters they shouldn't be protesting on the public sidewalk in front of Baywalk, which is a constitutional
right but, then what do the founders and organizers of the Seed and Straight or thier government buddies care about rights and free thought!
Antigen:
Welcome Rob. And thanks for understanding.
If anybody's interested in discussing the method, here's an idea. Watch Brat Camp on Wed night on ABC. I think there are about 2 or 3 eps left. It's a "reality" tv sort of thing about one of the new wave in bm programs, a wilderness program called Sage Walk. It's interesting to me and, imo, relavent to this discussion because it demonstrates nearly identical methods used under a completely different setting. And, of course, because it's happening right now.
History does not record anywhere or at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unkonwn without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author
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Thom:
--- Quote ---History does not record anywhere or at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unkonwn without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.
--Robert A. Heinlen, American science-ficiton author
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Would you go to a Podiatrist to find a solution to a heart problem?...Then why go to a science fiction writer for spiritual guidance? His opening statement is false. The Bible is the all-time best-selling history book, and lays out a VERY rational plan for living based on the fact that we did not create ourselves, and would be wise to develop dialog with the One who did.
Beam me up, Godie! ::dove::
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