Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Seed Discussion Forum
Group Think
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2005-01-09 21:28:00, marshall wrote:
"http://www.ex-cult.org/
Anyone doubting the cult status of the seed program should read the material on this site. It meets all of the criteria. See especially Lifton's criteria for thought reform, Conditions for mind control and Mind Control, the bite model. "
--- End quote ---
:nworthy: This needs to go over in the Teen Help forum.
Anonymous:
Give the guy a break. So now choosing to go to the seed is NOT taking responsiblity for one's actions??? I'm going to venture a guess - the program saved your life, you can't imagine where you would be without it and you still love Art & Shelly and the other overlords, right???
Anon, make up your mind. You can't have it both ways - coming down on the guy cause he sold drugs, then come down on the guy cause he chose "rehab" over prison. Prison, BTW, is no place for a child.
Anonymous:
RE: Post above is in response to this posting:
"Marshall It sounds like you don't take any responsibility for what happened to the girl at school & selling her LSD?
marshall:
It has nothing to do with taking responsibility. The girl was older than I. She was from atlanta and had used way more drugs including taking acid many times. I didn't sell it to her (that was to a classmate) she asked me for it. Of course I am responsible, and she was also responsible. We were both kids. How many of us sold drugs or gave them to our friends? How many of us got caught and served time for it? Did I deserve prison more than those who didn't get caught? Am I more accountable or responsible because I did?
I have not smoked cigarettes since I was 19. I am against their use. I think they are harmful and responsible for more disease and death than all illegal drugs combined. But I do not think they should be made illegal. I don't think those using or selling them should be imprisoned. (The head of the DEA made a statement a few years ago to John Stossel of ABC suggesting that he thought it was just a matter of time before tobacco becomes illegal) How many of us have given a cigarette to a friend? Shouldn't we also be held responsible for this?
Many of the people I love smoke. I do not want them to be imprisoned either. Nor would I wish for them to be subjected to a seed-like program to break their habit. My feelings about drugs are the same. The way to deal with the issue is not imprisonment or coercive mind control. I was wrong to give her acid but the government was even more wrong (imo) for throwing a kid into prison for it.
Ft. Lauderdale:
Sorry . I disagree. I think you were let off easy by going to the Seed. 5 years of prison in a GA jail. Please... You can compare it to whatever. Sorry it sounds like to me that you never learned the lesson you were sent there for to begin with- I hold nothing against you personally. This is the way I feel. Do you have kids? Prpbably not if you didn;t learn that one.
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