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marshall:
Plus, look at the whole episode that anon mentioned from outside the seed pov. Someone asks you for a cigarette. You refuse to give them one. They respond with 'Oh i get it you 're not suppose to give me one and someone is probably watching right? .' Whereupon you reply; "Fuck off."

Only a seedling could see this as standing up for yourself. A normal person would likely conclude that you are simply being a selfish jerk. I don't see anything in that exchange that warranted a 'fuck off'. (again, anon, this is not a personal criticism. I behaved the same way. It's how we were taught and expected to respond) When staff was asking us to do all of those things like mowing their yard, cleaning art's pool, running errands, etc. Where was all of that 'standing up for ourselves'?  When we were stood up and yelled at and called all sorts of horrible names, where was all of that self-respect? Why didn't we tell them to 'fuck off'? All of this stuff is just seed-defined.

Going along with your old friends is being into acceptance and not standing  up for yourself.
Going along with the group, staff or art...even when you might really have believed they were wrong....that's being a good seedling. Thinking of yourself as being 'cool' is just an image. Thinking of yourself as being 'straight' is not. A guy letting his hair grow long is doing it just to go along with the crowd because he's weak & into acceptance. The same guy cutting his hair at the seed isn't doing this to go along with the crowd or because he's weak and into acceptance. Using certain buzz words & phrases  before the seed is trying to be cool. Using certain seed-approved buzz words & phrases while at the seed isn't. Right.

Cleveland, I'm beginning to wonder if a certain personality type(s) was more prone to find the seed repressive than others. You and another here mentioned being an artist at some point. I took that up as well after the seed. Just as a hobby, portraits for friends and sold a few over the years. Do you suppose artistic types (whatever that may be) were more prone to reject seed ideology on some level?

cleveland:
Marshall, I'm with you 100%. I think different people responded differently to the Seed - there are some people that, at that age anyway, just wanted to be told what to do. There were other people that wanted to have power over others, some who just wanted to go along.

But I think there were others, who's idealism was used to get them involved. Like your post where you say Lybbi defended your 'peace, love and happiness' ideals. To me, the Seed seemed in some ways, like that 60s communal experience I dreamt of when I was in my teens. Saving the world was a very appealing ideal, and I think one that most 'artistic' types, 'who see the world not as it is, but as it should be,' would find appealing.

Post Seed, I love all types of art, music, crafts, cooking, whatever - anything that is creative. At the seed, I was very limited in expressing this impulse. I did a lot of cooking there, though, and learned to make plaintains, black beans and rice, and cuban chicken - courtesy of my newcomer Mandy. Also played a lot of ping pong!

I remember reading somewhere that intellegent people are suseptible to cults because they are able to see both sides of an issue. Personally I think the Seed went out of it's way to appeal to everybody, either thru fear, love, power, or idealism. Take your pick!

Ican'tTalktoYou:
Frankly, I repeated the seed repertoire down there when I was in school because I was scared of ending up back on the front row (which I eventually did later on....but that's another story).

Once I graduated the seed and went back to Jacksonville those words never passed my lips again.  No one in the sr. high school I went to had even heard of the seed.  However, I must add that I did not go to the school that I should have gone to, where all my old friends were going.  I transferred to a school across town.  I doubt that I would have told them I couldn?t talk to them either?..I just would have ended up on the front row again sooner than I did.

When I was in the seed in?73 there were not very many people from Jacksonville there?that I was aware of.

Fran:
Anon...
I have to say that because I was a seedling at that point of my life...I did not defend myself I took what was thrown at me. Do I blame the seed? I was told that I was not to talk with druggies...period. It was not free will mind you..it was "do not talk to druggies" I did not.
I was the perfect person to mind control..I was 13 years old for gosh sakes!! Yes the seed had alot to do with problems that I had encountered in school.

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