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Ft. Lauderdale:
One was original and I think one was extra crispy :grin:
GregFL:
That was me, I swear I logged in!
Anyway, one other point Ft Lauderdale. I have known Ginger for about 5 years. Not only does she intimately "get" what went on in the seed, she brings a very unique prospective to the table.
That is, she was forced into the cult at about age 4 or so, had to help prepare the meals, go to open meeting twice a week, then to dennys until the wee hours, all the while her mom and brothers all deeply impedded in it. Her whole world as a child revolved around the program doctrine and Art Barker worship. She also lost most of her friends because the little 6 and 7 year olds weren't seedlings (probably were "dry druggies" according to the seed). She then went into treatment with no drug problem and as many of us did and had to REJECT OUR FAMILIES OR GOT REJECTED BY OUR FAMILIES and made seriously hard choices in order to gain freedom and autonomy.
While her experience was much different than yours, it nevertheless tells an important story from her perspective. Her whole family was so immersed in the damn cult it is a wonder she escaped it.
GregFL:
:tup: :lol:
That about sums it up there, the chicken comparison that is!!!
But seriously, there wasn't that much of a difference. The straight was a little more brutal, a little less "loving", but the basic fundamental treatment method was the same, right down to the placement of the chairs, the terminology, the "Raps" the steps, damn near everything.
Ft. Lauderdale:
I think her family was involved for maybe 2 years tops. Now I know nothing about Straight. I'm guessing 2 years cause I don't know them. In my mind there is so much resentment towards her and her family-that she blames everything on the Seed. All from a little girls point of view. Her family does sound pretty screwed up (so was mine)And Greg you were a pissed off teenager totally rebellious and ready to fight with anyone in your way and I can't blame you or her. Now this is just my observation. I think I know the type of guy you are and nothing was going to hold you down. I think you were probably a pretty neat kid that needed some guidance and did not get exactly what you needed. I wish I did know you then. I'm sorry I didn't. I did have a completely diffrent experience at the Seed from both of you. My family benifited greatly from the little experience they had with it. My dad died 2 years ago - he went to AA and was sober for the past 25 years. My mom was a complete nut case when I was a kid in and out of nuthouses when she did not get an inheritance from her dad and her step mother the same age as she was walked away with it all. But I'll tell you what. Sure I'm divorced that didn't work out but I am close as hell with my siblings and love them dearly and their kids as well. What am I trying to say- I'm sorry things were horrible for you- There was so much good that I saw on a daily basis and I'm not a pollyanna - Actually I was never in any inner circle.
GregFL:
Thanks for being sorry. I genuinely believe that you are sincere.
And you are right, I was a very angry kid, but my anger started in the seed and continued as I struggled against it and the grip it had on my family and on me. Eventually I directed this anger in a very unhealthy direction towards all authority. I also learned a very sick form of confrontational communication there that took me years and years to realize was unsociable and not accepted in normal society.
You are also right that the seed was very negative for me and my family. But seriously believe me when I tell you that is all behind me now. The anger is gone and good riddance to it!
I am here for other reasons and one of them is to get the truth out on what really happened, to create a open forum where we can tell our stories. The seed had such a huge impact on me and my family and I knew it was for others as well. Also, when I started understanding the processes I was subject to and the fact that my reactions were not uncommon, I felt others might be able to benefit from that knowledge and from shared discussion on this subject, something that has been sorely lacking for the last 30 years.
This forum rocks, to be sure.
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