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GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-10 08:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I really don't understand what is so confusing here. He saw the others that you mentioned and created his own version. Are you looking for some sort of smoking gun?? Does it have to be LINEARLY connected in order for him to have taken what he saw or read about and make it his own?"
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the techniques didn't come to him in a dream. There was no internet, no book on how to set up a synanon based treatment program.
How did he "see" it? That is the question.
Yes, I am looking for the "smoking gun". I think it exists on some level.
Anonymous:
I know there was no internet, but Synanon did receive a good bit of publicity in the mid 70s for their unorthodox methods. If Art was looking to set up some kind of a program to help the troubled youth of America I imagine he would have done some research into the reportedly most successful methods or 'the latest and greatest'. He wouldn't have needed the internet to become aware of the new "theraputic communities" that were beginning to spring up.
There may be some smoking gun. It would add one more piece to the puzzle. I guess that specific line just isn't one of the most critical pieces to me. I just don't see it as that much of a mystery.
Robin Martin:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-10 06:19:00, GregFL wrote:
"Robin, if you knew more about who you were talking to, you wouldn't say that. Instead, you would find she is just now confronting what happened to her and working thru it. She is seeking help and peace...from within herself.
Your post was a little condensending I think.
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I have no need in being condesending to anyone hurting and still in pain. I also do not discount there was major abuse to some - just not done to me or anyone else in my circle of friends. This is why I find this site very interesting yet complex. It's not black & white for ANYONE, is it?
"...if you knew more about who you were talking to, you wouldn't say that..." Well Greg, news flash :wstupid: in trying to separate the "Who's who of Anons" so if you REALLY wish me to know you and understand what you are about, let's pick a name - any name! Or feel free to always e/m me privately as others have done.
I understand those wanting to remain Anon but don't bully me Greg by saying "if you knew..."
Okey Dokey??
Peace to all,
GregFL:
Nice diatribe Robin...But she made it clear in this thread who she was ...STRIPE. That was clear from the very beginning..I said "if you knew MORE about who you were taking to" not if you knew who...because that was clear as this.. ::bangin::
Look, you are right it isn't black and white. But it isn't also right vs wrong, evil vs good, seedlings vs druggies, pro vs con or any other adverserial situation. we are all just a bunch of middle aged people that went thru rehab 30 something years ago in the same nuthouse cult.
Often when people find this site they get angry. These old memories were sometimes pushed way down for many years, and people tend to go thru a whole range of emotions when they confront this, especially those that were traumatized by the seed and haven't run around the last 30 years feeling "saved" about being locked up,"modified" and coerced into a cultic love fest.
My point is, we have a huge range of opinions here, but we really are all on the same side.
Except ft lauderdale of course. :grin:
I notice that lately we all seem a little quick to jump to anyone's defense over small stuff. Lets all think about loosening up a little. Disagreement of this forum is actually a very positive thing, IMO.
Stripe:
Not particularly interested in pursuing this much further with you, Robin. As you say, everyone's experience was different. Obviously, your experience and my experience were like night and day.
I don't care to get into a discussion with you in which I am perceived as trying to convince you the place was bad anymore than I want you to tell me it was all goodness and light.
I pose but one general question for anyone:
How is it that a place that preached such "love and honesty" turn out people with such varied and different experieces?
Could it be that there was more than one kind of program being run at the same time ?
That's all I can fugure. I guess some people were lucky and fell into the truly protected group of people who never had to worry about being stood up and come down on, started over, toilet seats, and all that other cruel crap they used to run on us.
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