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successfull seed graduates
Anonymous:
The Seed Indeed is all you need to stay off the JUNK and the PILLS and the WEED.
http://www.dc.state.fl.us/ActiveInmates ... =917111900
"evidence was also introduced which revealed that Walton had abused drugs as an adolescent and teenager, and had been enrolled in a radical therapy program which likely left him severly emotionally scarred, but which had not halted his continued abuse of illegal drugs."
"... KIMBERLY WALTON, WHO WAS IN THE SAME SEED PROGRAM WITH MR MR. WALTON. IT WAS HER TESTIMONY THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE EVIDENTIARY HEARING IN 1991 THAT EXPLAINED THE NATURE OF THIS EXPERIMENTAL PROGRAM AND HOW DAMAGING IT WAS TO PEOPLE WHO WENT THROUGH THE PROGRAM.
Anonymous:
oops sorry, that was me. Forgot to log in.
GregFL
Stripe:
I take it the jury or sentencing judge did not put much weight on the tesitmony quoted here. Having assisted in the defense of more than one first degree murder case I can say that it's a terrible thing for everyone. Tragic for the victim and family, tragic for the defendant and family. Tragic for the persons who have to prosecute and defend. Even more tragic when persons who have been victims themselves become the perpetrators. Even more tragic still when things that are suposed to help people only end up making the situation so much worse.
My heart hurts for these folks. But logic tells me that most of them actually did what they are accused of doing. What hurts is that so many of them have been so stripped of personal value and so morally degraded that they attach no value at all to their life or the lives of other people. when that is the case, it just appears to us who are on the outside, that it was easy for them to kill. Or, in some cases, they fight back with such overwhleming ferocity (sp?) that they lose control and kill by accident - or even worse, they over-kill on purpose. Odd concept, but it happens.
Maybe some of you reading this might remember going to some place in your mind, escaping to a place where that wasn't filled with the negative Seed. I gues we who were able to do that kind og escaping/traveling are the lucky ones. I've said it here before: No one is inherenetly bad and I really belive that - even guys like this. something happened.
I've had to "shut down" to make it through some expericences - especially later in my life when I was the victim in a physically, ect. abusive marriage. It was only then, at that moment when I choose to walk away because some small inner voice told me that I had no ability to eract in-kind that I became afraid of what I could do. nd - onlells you you can't react in kind - That's when I realized how close I'd been to crossing that line - how just one more little push could have made the difference.
My professional work has helped move me away from that, but reading just this one excerpt brings it all back. Very chilling.
Maybe based on my experiences I could be claimed as a Seed success, but I don't believe I'll allow them to take credit. Afterall, if it wasn't for all of the stripping away expereiced in the program, I might have had enough of a sense of self to have made other choices in my life. Any way, thanks be to the good powers in the world for sparing me and my baby from all that could have been.
Thanks, too Greg, for the oppotunity to tell my "success" story. I didn't kill someone.
T
GregFL:
Actually, you being a lawyer will appreciate this case even more than most. The testimony about the seed only came up in a hearing trying to communicate his sentence to life. That is how I found it, and what really interests me is I have a vaque memory of him. He was in the St Pete seed.
I also read the case report and he looks guilty as hell.
The heading is a sarcastic (sorry but it is my nature) jab at Art's claimed 90% success ratio. By the Seed's standards, we are almost all failures, having drank and done drugs since graduating. Even some of the most rabid supporters here fess up to "struggling" with alcoholism and drugs after graduating which we all know takes you right out of the "successfull graduate" status. Yet Art AS EARLY AS LAST YEAR was saying the seed had a 90% success ratio.
Hell, I know almost no one that didn't do drugs or drink after the seed, or kill themselves or go to jail or screw up majorly somehow.
Anonymous:
Greg,
I'm with you on this subject. That was the point of my spilling my guts - because that kind of emotional abuse and control makes for some very "edgy" people. I don't have to fight every day to not do drugs. Instead, I fight to overcome seed programming. I have accomplished so much in my life and yet I still feel empty - like somehow I'm faking my way through all this.
The fact that I did not retaliate - BUT THAT I ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED IT (and for what seemed like an eternity) that's what makes me know how diminished the seed programming made me. I'll bet there's many more marginal people out there who have thought there is something wrong with them because of Seed, Striaght - etc. Truth is folks, there's nothing really wrong with any of us. These are learned patterns that were imposed from the outside in - completely external.
I'm hoping that with time I can overcome this programming as well. Go through those grief statges for the loss of my inner self to some evil fucking people. I think now, after 32 years of denial, I've moved on to anger and it's okay. Those fucking people have destroyed lives and families. They tried to destroy me and my brother. We have worked so hard our entire lives to overcome that shit. We have experienced so much needless pain and turmoil because of that programming.
Art Barker and his staff have emotionally crippled every person who ever came in contact with that fucking place. Creating need where none existed before by destroying confidence, self-respect and self-determination.
Art Barker and those others - what fucking cruel people. I hope his life, and all the lives of all others who supported that place, are very painful lives - very long and very, very painful lives.
By the way, I guessing Art never visited/visits that fellow on death row...
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