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« on: December 02, 2004, 02:30:00 PM »
I'm seeing a lot of these places with problems, but are there any places that seem to get it right?
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2004, 09:10:00 PM »
Yes. Home. Or the home of a good friend or relative. Or a simple vacation. Or a job. Or a new school. Time to grow up and sort things out. All those things seem to work better than anything.

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« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2004, 02:26:00 PM »
Antigen, your post is almost identical to the mission statement of the program i'm in right now. We know that HOME is the best place. This place IS home to 37 kids, and they're tearing are HOME apart. See, we've been blessed with 2 HOMES. I love them just the same. I've been trying to figure you out, and in a way I feel that I have. I know that you support drug use, particularly marijuana and hash. I also know that you believe in free choice. This is exactly what Mark and Cheryl believe in. Don't you get it? We can choose to do whatever we want! I can choose to walk out the front door right now. NO ONE will stop me. I can choose to call whoever I want, NO ONE will stop me. I can choose to go to the 7-11 accross the street and buy cigarettes, again, I am free to make my own mistakes.

I, myself, ran away from this program and was gone for 3 weeks. I went across the country to Boston and stayed with a group of my friends. I later made my way up to Portland Maine to visit other friends in the area. I realized what I had done, and I willingly flew back to Utah. When I came back it was as if nothing had happened. They accepted the mistake I had made, and we all moved on together. I can now say that I am a much a stronger person.
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« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2004, 03:11:00 PM »
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"Antigen, your post is almost identical to the mission statement of the program i'm in right now. We know that HOME is the best place. This place IS home to 37 kids, and they're tearing are HOME apart. See, we've been blessed with 2 HOMES. I love them just the same. I've been trying to figure you out, and in a way I feel that I have. I know that you support drug use, particularly marijuana and hash. I also know that you believe in free choice. This is exactly what Mark and Cheryl believe in. Don't you get it? We can choose to do whatever we want! I can choose to walk out the front door right now. NO ONE will stop me. I can choose to call whoever I want, NO ONE will stop me. I can choose to go to the 7-11 accross the street and buy cigarettes, again, I am free to make my own mistakes.



I, myself, ran away from this program and was gone for 3 weeks. I went across the country to Boston and stayed with a group of my friends. I later made my way up to Portland Maine to visit other friends in the area. I realized what I had done, and I willingly flew back to Utah. When I came back it was as if nothing had happened. They accepted the mistake I had made, and we all moved on together. I can now say that I am a much a stronger person."


I don't believe you. As a programmed person, you have very little credibility. You will anything yo preserve the image of your program and lure in new prisoners.
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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2004, 12:29:00 AM »
The more BORING a child is, the more the parents,
when showing off the child, receive adulation for
being GOOD PARENTS -- because they have a TAME
CHILD-CREATURE in their house.

Frank Zappa
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« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2004, 04:15:00 PM »
Home, home, home.  I couldn't imagine sending one of my kids off to one of these schools.  Never ever, ever would I have done that.

We changed our lifestyles to accomodate having children.  I gave up my career and worked odd hours so me or my husband could be there for every freaking ball game, dance recital, show, whatever.  One of us was there every day after school, as were all of the other neighborhood kids 'cause every other parent on the block was away at work.  And you wonder why they grew up fast and without morals or standards.  

Who has been there to set any standards for 'em?  Who has been there to support and praise them in their goals?  Who has been there to teach them self-confidence, love, sharing, anything?

You don't know 'cause you haven't been there.  It's always been a childcare worker, a teacher, a staff member.  These kids are institutionalized from 6 weeks after birth (we became self-employed so we could bring our children to work with us through infancy til school years).

I didn't allow any immunizations.  These are killers and mind control agents.  The schools are dosing 'em out, along with the fluoride, at age 5.  They want immunize newborns right after birth.  We said, NO THIS IS OUR CHILD AND WE DON'T WANT TO POISON THEM.

It's time for Americans, young and old, to wake up to what's coming down the pipes.  Our Constitution is gone, our government is a dictarship from illegal elections, and our military is the biggest terrorist in the world.

They're tearing our families apart with debt, bad economy and everyone working for material gain.  We've thrown God out the door, but we allow Satanism in our schools.  What's wrong with this picture?

Reverse everything you know and you'll be closer to the truth.

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« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2004, 04:32:00 PM »
Hi there,
I personally believe that family therapy at home is the right answer but in extreme cases I think that Grove School in CT is fantastic. I went there and sadly I had to leave but check it out I think the site is just groveschool.edu. If you have any questions feel free to email me. Just so you know also a lot of educational consultants receive comission from many of the "bad" programs so beware.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2004, 01:31:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-03 21:29:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The more BORING a child is, the more the parents,

when showing off the child, receive adulation for

being GOOD PARENTS -- because they have a TAME

CHILD-CREATURE in their house.



Frank Zappa"


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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2004, 01:55:00 PM »
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On 2004-12-03 11:26:00, chrisgentile wrote:

"Antigen, your post is almost identical to the mission statement of the program i'm in right now. We know that HOME is the best place. This place IS home to 37 kids, and they're tearing are HOME apart. See, we've been blessed with 2 HOMES. I love them just the same. I've been trying to figure you out, and in a way I feel that I have. I know that you support drug use, particularly marijuana and hash.

No, you haven't figured me out. I'm actually rather more opposed to drug use than what you might call median public opinion. But I'm with Administrative Law Judge, Francis Young, DOJ/DEA on the point that "Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care."

( reference: http://www.calyx.net/~olsen/MEDICAL/YOUNG/young.html )

In other words, given a choice between therapeutic use of powerful and relatively novel drugs like SSRIs (Zoloft, Prozac, Paxil, etc) and time tested, DEA approved Cannabis, it only makes sense to go w/ the least harmful, more reliable drug.

Additionally, criminal prohibition not only fails entirely at keeping the prohibited drugs away from kids, it also creates a continual windfall for black market operators in exactly the same way that alcohol prohibition made characters like Al Capone, Babyface Nelson and John Dillinger possible.

Same goes for recreational drug use. Alcohol, the #1 date rape/recreational drug, is far and away more dangerous to the user and to innocent bystanders than cannabis. So the sensible thing to do is to state facts as facts, lest our children grow up to be alcoholics.

It is pure Utopian delusion to strive for a drug free America or a drug free community. Show me a drug free prison first. Mean time, I'll continue to advocate for temperance and fact based decision making over Utopian crusades and hysteria.


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I also know that you believe in free choice. This is exactly what Mark and Cheryl believe in. Don't you get it? We can choose to do whatever we want! I can choose to walk out the front door right now. NO ONE will stop me. I can choose to call whoever I want, NO ONE will stop me. I can choose to go to the 7-11 accross the street and buy cigarettes, again, I am free to make my own mistakes.



I, myself, ran away from this program and was gone for 3 weeks. I went across the country to Boston and stayed with a group of my friends. I later made my way up to Portland Maine to visit other friends in the area. I realized what I had done, and I willingly flew back to Utah. When I came back it was as if nothing had happened. They accepted the mistake I had made, and we all moved on together. I can now say that I am a much a stronger person."


I just don't believe that. You've never answered my question about how you make these kids accept and take part in your love bombing. What, exactly, do you do w/ a kid who simply doesn't want to take part?

I split from Straight twice, as I recall. I could describe it just the way you do, if I leave out a few salient facts. I left, I hitchhiked around looking for a place to land semi-permanently till I came of age. I found no decent opportunity (as a minor, on the run from my parents, duh!) and resigned myself to go back and stick it out till graduation or my 18th birthday.

But leaving took considerable planning. First time, I waited till everyone fell asleep after a particularly late open meeting night, bent back the traveler's lock on the bedroom door and stole some clothes from the host home and snuck out. The other time I told everyone (except for staff and my mother) that I had permission to get off the school bus at the post office to meet my mother for lunch, then slipped off the bus with some clothes that I'd told my mother I was donating to the Program cause they didn't fit me anymore (I had gained roughly 25 lbs after two years on the pure starch and grease diet)

I understand that roughly half of the kids at Whitmore are taken there against their will by paid "escorts" who are authorized by the parents who hire them to use handcuffs, drugs or pepper spray if need be. So then they arrive through the door and, BINGO!, suddenly they want to stay and take part? Are you telling me that, right from the beginning, kids are given the freedom to call and talk to whoever they want to, to take a stroll accross the street to the local 7-11 or just say adios and go follow the Dead or something?

It just doesn't make sense, Chris. Something has to happen to change these unruly, rebellious, defiant kids into the entheusiastically compliant and cooperative kids you describe.

What I'm asking you is this; how does that happen and do you, yourself, understand how this happened to you?

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2004, 11:05:00 PM »
It's still December 5th where I'm sittin'. Too bad I'm sittin' in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, where it remains illegal (w/ a few exceptions) to sell beer, wine or liquor on a Sunday  :lol:


Special to THE NEW YORK TIMES


Prohibition Repeal Is Ratified at 5:32 P.M.; Roosevelt Asks Nation to Bar
the Saloon; New York Celebrates With Quiet Restraint

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Washington, Dec. 5 -- Legal liquor today was returned to the United States,
with President Roosevelt calling on the people to see that "this return of
individual freedom shall not be accompanied by the repugnant conditions that
obtained prior to the adoption of the Eighteenth Amendment and those that
have existed since its adoption."

Prohibition of alcoholic beverages as a national policy ended at 5:321/2
P.M., Eastern Standard Time, when Utah, the last of the thirty-six States
furnished by vote of its convention the constitutional majority for
ratification of the Twenty-first Amendment. The new amendment repealed the
Eighteenth, and with the demise of the latter went the Volstead Act which
for more than a decade held legal drinks in America to less than one-half of
1 percent of alcohol and the enforcement of which cost more than 150 lives
and billions in money.

Earlier in the day, Pennsylvania had ratified as the thirty-fourth State and
Ohio as the thirty-fifth.

Proclamation by President

President Roosevelt at 6:55 P.M., signed an official proclamation in keeping
with terms of the National Industrial Recovery Act, under which prohibition
ended and four taxes levied to raise $277,000,000 annually for amortization
of the $3,300,000,000 public works fund were repealed.

But the President went further. Accepting certification from Acting
Secretary of State Phillips that thirty-six STates had ratified the
repealing amendment, he improved the occasion to address a plea to the
American people to employ their regained liberty first of all for national
manliness.

Mr. Roosevelt asked personally for what he and his party had declined to
make the subject of Federal mandate -- that saloons be barred from the
country.

"I ask especially," he said, "that no State shall, by law or otherwise,
authorize the return of the saloon, either in its old form or in some modern
guise."

Makes Personal Plea

He enjoined all citizens to cooperate with the government in its endeavor to
restore a greater respect for law and oder, especially by confining their
purchases of liquor to duly licensed agencies. This practice, which he
personally requested every individual and every family in the nation to
follow, would result, he said, in a better product for consumption, in
addition to the "break-up and eventual destruction of the notoriously evil
illicit liquor traffic" and in tax benefits to the government.

The President thus announced the policy of his administration -- to see that
the social and political evils of the preprohibition era shall not be
revived or permitted again to exist. Failure of citizens to use their new
freedom in helping to advance this policy, he said, would be "a living
reproach to us all."

He expressed faith, too, in the "good sense of the American people" in
preventing excessive personal use of relegalized liquor. "The objective we
seek through a national policy," he said, "is the education of every citizen
toward a greater temperance throughout the nation."

As a means of enforcing his policy, the President has the Federal Alcohol
Control Administration ready to take control of the liquor traffic and
regulate it at the source of supply.

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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2004, 01:24:00 AM »
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On 2004-12-04 13:32:00, Mondamin0603 wrote:

"Hi there,

I personally believe that family therapy at home is the right answer but in extreme cases I think that Grove School in CT is fantastic. I went there and sadly I had to leave but check it out I think the site is just groveschool.edu. If you have any questions feel free to email me. Just so you know also a lot of educational consultants receive comission from many of the "bad" programs so beware.

Nicole [email protected]"

 I have heard great things about the Grove School in Madison CT. It is near my home (15 minute ride) and I know a woman that works there.
It really depends on your childs issues when selecting a school. This one does not have tight security. If your child isn't cooperative, it is easy to split from there.
Good luck!
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« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2004, 12:58:00 AM »
If you want to know your child is safe and not being abused, you'd better keep him/her at home!
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« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2004, 11:28:00 PM »
How do you keep a kid at home that would rather stay out all night with friends.  Keeping them at home doesn't mean you know they're safe or not abusing themselves vs. being abused.  WWASP schools are good, not just for the kids for the parents as well.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2004, 02:39:00 AM »
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"If you want to know your child is safe and not being abused, you'd better keep him/her at home!"


  ROFL!!   RIGHT ... and I'm sure YOUR Parents were able to keep YOU at HOME when you were doing the things you did to get yourself placed in a PROGRAM!  Let's get real here.  Teens DO WHAT they want with little to NO respect for their parents.  

  If it were THAT easy, these programs could have NEVER started.
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« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2004, 06:54:00 PM »
At least when they're home, you can talk to them, as often as they're willing. And, if you're good at solving problems, sometimes they might come to you for help and advice whenever they realize they're in trouble. Almost all kids take foolish risks and make bad choices growing up. That's why we don't let them vote or own real estate or hold public office. When you ship them off to strangers and agree to zero contact for an indefinite number of months, you don't know shit.

Ask any former POW about their signed confessions before you believe anything your kid says when they're finally allowed a phone call home. You also don't know the first thing about what any kid may have done to get themselves locked away. Some parents lose their grip when their kids listen to the wrong music or quit the football team.

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