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Tony Stark:
Yeah I know....The Greeks and Israelites still even sacrifice Lambs to his day. Where is "The Prince of Peace"? Why are we at war all the time? I dunno. But Islam is some tpe of polytheism with a selected diety to be chosen as one god. One Pagan god."Allah" I'd rather die than submit to Allah, but where's Christ? :smokin:
I am not a vegetarian because I love animals;  I am a vegetarian because I hate plants.  
-- A. Whitney Brown

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BuzzKill:
I don't know about the present day Greeks - but the Jews do not at the present time, have animal sacrifice - because they do not at this time have a temple.
And as a Christian, I would argue the final sacrifice for all man kind was the crucifixion, when the Lamb of God was slain.
(see Isaiah 53; Psalm 22)
Yeshua Ha  Meshiach is the Prince of Peace. There will be Peace on Earth when He returns.
(see Isaiah 11)
There is a Peace that passes understanding available to His own even now.
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A big change happened in my life. As an Israeli, I had seen how my uncles and friends died in the army. Before I knew Y?shua as my Messiah, no Arab could stand next to me without my thinking about doing him harm. But when the time came for me to get baptized, I was actually immersed with a Palestinian who became my friend. I know?pretty amazing, huh? Because of Y?shua, the spikes on this tsabar are gone.
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Jesus transforms people's lives. Because he provides atonement for sin and reconciliation with God, Jesus brings peace, joy, and purpose into people's lives. Apart from faith in him, there is no basis for true peace or direction, for as the psalmist says, "Man is estranged from the womb." That this estrangement is healed by the reconciling ministry of Jesus is the common experience of those who believe in Him.
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Why all the war and hate and strife on Earth now? Because men are in rebellion against God and are often motivated by evil.

"In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33 :grin:

[ This Message was edited by: BuzzKill on 2004-12-02 12:39 ]

Tony Stark:
Thank you for your ministry but, Israel is establishing borders right now. Just like in the book of "Malachi", and the sacrificial lamb I am seeking is the Man-child that was devoured by a dragon and was caught up unto God and His throne and will rule the nations with a Rod of Iron and will make "All things New.I'm talking about the marriage supper of the Lamb. I'm not protestant or Catholic, but I've understanding from my tribulations and there is the birth of Christ that mystifies me. If the anti-Christ
who according to the last book is named "Mark" is on the planet then when will we all see our new redeemer. Check out the book of Issiah over the scriptuure concerning the virgin birth. There is also another King in that passage who we're not even allowed to know about. The son of Man. It's all in scripture, but there are no truths to the media and I consider it all freedom propaganda that gives you nothing but lust for freedom, if you look to the churches they are not houses of worship. I worship God within myself. Please share more. I am interested. My body is the Temple of the Holy Spirit and I am a born-again maturing Christian like yourself. I just don't trust American churches. Or CEO Hit men who do things, and hide behind religion. We are saved by grace, but when we do something wrong and we repent. Often one will not fall for the same in again. Love covers a multitude of sins, and we are in a state of grace I believe, but People are killing in the name of a God. Jesus just came to give us a sword. Not peace. The Messiah is yet for me to be found and I don'tn know if I'll ever find HIM in my lifetime or not. It is written that we will desire nothing in HIM when we first see HIM. We're going backwards religiously and turning from the old way. I'm not saying these are the last days but watch Israel and when the temple is rebuilt there are a number of years before the prince of this world appears and it's then I will have to go back to the streets. I'm not going to take no Mark on my forehead just to do trade, or worship the guy. I'm talking about the "Babylonian Empire" Where the "son of perdition" rules from Rome, the city of seven hills. This is my dreaded fate to be beheaded, or to flee. It's going to be back to all this so called like "Ceaser worship" again. I'm an evangelical and was baptized "United Brethren" so maybe that's why I think of these things. I get my insight from CTN,and oter books and commentaries and still A man swears on a book to run a country and it says plainly in the book not to swear by anything in heaven or on earth. Why don't they just swear in Presidents like they do serviceman?
He, who has nothing, and who himself belongs to another, must be defended by him, whose property he is, and needs no arms. But he, who thinks he is his own master, and has what he can call his own, ought to have arms to defend himself, and what he possesses; else he lives precariously, and at discretion.
James Burgh 1774
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BuzzKill:
I have to tell you, I have a little trouble following your train of thought. I do think you might want to read Revelations a little more carefully. I think you have misunderstood some things.
Couple interesting things about the letters to the churches -  they follow the trends found in church history. Also, they describe attitudes, strengths and failings found in individual Christians. Have you heard the Christian Lament "I've been living in Laodicea"?
The dragon of Revelations (Satan) does not devoir the child - but just wishes he could.
And I know it may seem odd, but the title the Son of Man, and The Son of God, refer to one and the same - Christ Jesus. I'm not sure if you are clear on that.
We are not told the name the Beast will have. We are told the number of his name. Useful info for those wise enough to figure it out. We are told all those living will be required to bear on their hand or head, the number of his name, or his mark - not that his name is Mark.
We are told the Temple will be rebuilt - and so it shall.
We are told the Beast will march into it and proclaim himself god. And so he shall.
The Jews are warned to flee to the hills when this happens - to go and not look back.(Matthew 24;15) God has promised to protect them that do.
(I believe this is the woman of Rev 12; the Jews who flee)
I am one of those who believe we will be gone when this happens (attending the wedding feast you mention) but there will be others who come to Christ after this; and they will be the Tribulation Saints.
Like you, I distrust "organized" religion - and yet we are told not to abandon the gathering together of the saints - or what you might call church.
I think the important thing is to read The Book for yourself. See for yourself what it says and do your best to live accordingly.
Its important not to let someone take you and convince you of something just quoting a verse here an there. You can developed a very twisted and incorrect theology that way. Don't read a verse at a time - read a chapter; a book at a time; and think about what it is saying in whole, and not just in part.
But you might want to slow down and read a bit more carefully.

Tony Stark:
Indeed my nowledge of most of the Holy Bible that was once my family bible, and was stolen from us has lost my memory. I do remember that I should not even discuss any of what I read in the family bible to anyone Until Christ Jesus is raised from the dead. But fateful as my mind slips me at times because of brain damage, I was baptized as an evangelical. I guess I'll follow your advice and just get a brand new bible like my old family bible. I've never seen one in anyone else's possession like it. I know it's a sin to make a show of religion, but thank you for your discussion. I'll still stay clear of the xmas shows and the CTN false prophets and the doom-sayers, bu I do believe in the old and new testaments as read as merely prophetic. Not the loss of God in so many individuals.Syntax, I found in reading the bible was so mportant when I began my studies. Things aren't understood by intellect, but through the Holy Spirit whicj indwells us believers in Christ Jesus. I still won't be celebrating xmas this year again though. It's all way too commercialized and very contrary to what the Spirit tells me. Doesn't make me a Jew and that I should celebrate gamblng and gift giving for days. I just feel the Greek Orthodox Church websites have helped me understand more than the cults in America. Ever been to purgatory? There's a place down there that straightened my head out but good and cleansed me of venial sin. Some people think you have to go to purgatory before heaven........well there's a place down there that's a paradise and a place down there that is sheer Hell, and I'm never going to attemp suicide over the truth and the fact I had no real insight to change and repentance. I died. But I came back and was in a coma and God has shown His face unto me late one evening while I was keeping night watch over an ACLF and it wasn't what I had expected at all. My God, The Lord is not like any of us. Speaking of what the Lord has revealed to me was Himself. I just don't know why me? I'm just a seeker. I've had a lot of set-backs. I guess that's how He makes us understand. What I don't know is why I don't fit in anywhere in this country. I get along well with the chinese. I've had plenty of Chinese student keypals online and we just talk of culture. Not religion, or polotics or sex. It's much more invitations I've had to come and teach over there, than I've had to pay a toll on a bill here in the USA. I used to man the radio Tapai at night and wait for some kind of democracy to take shape in Asia. I found I could do more help by merely talking about being an American. Also, one not honored in this country at all by anyone. Even my own kinfolk. They all think I am nuts. So does the VA. and all my countryman. Thank you Buzzkill.  
The Christian God can be easily pictured as virtually the same as the many ancient gods of past civilizations. The Christian god is a three headed monster; cruel, evil and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed, beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of the people who say they serve him. The are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites.
--Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, author, scientist, architect, educator, and diplomat
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