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Re: Assoc of Child Psychiatric Nursing

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FaceKhan:
In regards to personal soverignty, it is perfectly reasonable for people inside these institutions and in the process of being kidnapped to fight back with whatever force they feel is necesary to escape.

I agree that regulation is not enough, that is why the most important point that we could push in the legislatures is that minors need the same rights to a hearing before involuntary treatment/committment and that anyone who violates those rights must be prosecuted.

tommyfromhyde:
Re: Not funny at all

    Prosecuted by whom, pray? Perhaps by the same judges and D.A.'s who are often committing people to these programs and who are often true belivers themselves?

Antigen:
double post, read the next one

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-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse

Edited by: Antigenic   at: 6/24/01 11:26:40 am

Antigen:
Right, Tommy. The judiciary does not provide justice, only process. There's due process before a child can be taken from their natural parents or accustomed family. See extralove.com/ and click on the picture of the cute little blond girl.

They're still using shock therapy in some psyche wards. As long as some wanker licensed by the state declares it necessary, it's alright to strap someone down and wire their brain up with high voltage. If these people had to explain what they were doing without the cover story "it was deemed necessary by a licensed professional", what would they do?

You go and complain to law enforcement or a DA about any of these places, they'll tell you that they're licensed and so whatever is going on in there is perfectly legal. You go to the regulatory agency that issues that license, they'll check to see that ze papers are in order and send you on your way. Not only is the regulation impotent (and requiring due process for minors would be one), it also provides cover for those who know how to work it.

-If there's a worse idea going than locking kids up for victimless crimes, it's probably locking them in close proximity to some tyrannical altruist bent on helping them even if it kills them.
Saving our Children from Drug Treatment Abuse

FaceKhan:
If as you say, the laws are already in place, and I have been discovering quite a few lately that would make what these places do already illegal, what do you propose we do to make sure they are enforced, and if enforcement won't work because those in law enforcement and the courts are incompetent, on the other side, or just don't care, then what do you suggest we do then.

Do we start breaking down fences and gates, break the kids out, hand them a copy of "How to Disapear and Never Be Found" and expect things to be better? If the laws are in place, then our task is but to nag and nag and nag until they are enforced to our satisfaction, if the laws are lacking then we need to push for better ones, it seems pointless to me to just declare that these places exist above the law and there is nothing we can do.


"One can understand why Kessler said something 'Satanic' takes place in
school. The situation is Orwellian in its reversal of the truth:  Memorizing
is Understanding; Confining the mind is Liberating the mind; Boredom is
Fascination. Flowery words are used by educators without restraint. Words
like 'insight', 'enlightenment', and 'flourishing of the mind' are used to
describe a reality which contradicts them completely"-Bruce Goldberg "Why
Schools Fail"

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