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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #15 on: November 17, 2004, 11:26:00 PM »
An integral part of MK-Ultra is Project Monarch perhaps the most damning episode in the history of mind control, whereby the minds of women and children are brutally taken over in order to provide paedophiles, politicians, criminals and practising Satanists with willing sex slaves who could also double as covert operatives by having their personalities and memories switched on and off at will.


SORRY BILLY what does this have to do with The Seed. I beleive you are far off in left field. Believe me, there are much negatives to seed as well as some positives but what does this have to do with thereality of the program as it manifested itself?
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2004, 09:51:00 AM »
Those os you reading this subject may think Billy is off, wrong, weird or just out there.  But guess what, he's not.  It's tough to admit youv'e been fooled, used and programmed.  That's why it's clled programming...

I too remember these people.  Saw that Dana/Link- look alike up at FSU in the student union hanging out. His physical presence brought that terror to my gut.  If you can't believe the history, you have to believe what your body tells you.  IT's that fight or flight instinct that kicks in when and animal is threated.

Billy, I'm with you all the way, brother.  Thanks so much for the structure information.  GregFL has put some stuff up on other discussion threads that fits right in with the whole programming.  

Itis my belief that those seedlings among us who are so resistent to the idea that perhaps Art & Seed did not have our bests intersts at heart need only think back ...we were told, among other things...we were an army. Encourged to think alike, tlak alike, dress alike and preserve the whole "us against them" mindset  Whassup with that?  If that mind control, what the fuck was it?????
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« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2004, 12:35:00 AM »
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I too remember these people. Saw that Dana/Link- look alike up at FSU in the student union hanging out. His physical presence brought that terror to my gut. If you can't believe the history, you have to believe what your body tells you. IT's that fight or flight instinct that kicks in when and animal is threated.

Funny you mention Dana at FSU. Dana and I became good friends only AFTER I graduated and he was no longer on staff.  He was a very intelligent, wise, compassionate human being and although I have lost touch w/ him, know he became something great.  Linc lookalike??  Well, duh - wasn't that the "style" then?  I believe there was also a black female w/ an afro also.  Does that make her a Linc lookalike?
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« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2004, 11:49:00 AM »
Welcome to our new poster.

Do me a favor, since there really  is a Billie the dwarf from the seed, please confirm whether it is you or not.

If it is you, welcome again.  If it is not, please change your handle out of respect for him.

Thank you, and tell us a story about something that happened to you while you were there.
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« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2004, 01:15:00 PM »
"  Does that make her a Linc lookalike?"

Robin:
I don't think so and I won't be baited into that conversation. Misdirect.  Nice try though.

My statement about the guy was based on my personal observation and my experieces at Ft.L84.  Obviously you knew the guy post-seed. I chose not to associate with Seed people after that program because I thought they were weird and frankly, I was weird, too.  Way to fragmented is the only way I can describe the end result of my experience.  

Robin, I've read enough of your positngs to know you  believe in the program,it saved your life and that's fine for you.  But please don't make assumptions about me. You don't know me,you never did and to try to bait me into some kind of racial argument is just plain unfair.  Misdirect.
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« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2004, 02:03:00 PM »
"Monkey looking Black chick"??????????? ::ftard::
Are you Archie Bunker?
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« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2004, 02:06:00 PM »
OK sorry ... maybe Archita Bunker ::bigmouth::
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2004, 03:20:00 PM »
any chance of getting this thread away from personalities and back on topic?  It really has been a good conversation.

And last anon, you have now trolled up 84 posts. You ever gonna choose a user name?

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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2004, 03:36:00 PM »
maybe not :roll:
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2004, 05:12:00 PM »
I may be wrong bit I do beleive Billy the dwarf past away a few years ago.
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2004, 07:33:00 PM »
It is funny to listen to all this talk about the inner circle from people who knew very little about the so-called inner circle. Per say there was no inner circle just some people Art would invite over to have dinner it was no big deal.

     Yes it is true some of the people seemed to be favorites of Art but there were no secret meetings planning or mind psyops discussions I know because I was often invited over to his house. I will say on most occasions I did feel uncomfortable because I put too much pressure on myself to behave in a correct manner. Art made many attempts to bring me closer to him including inviting me to dinner, play golf; I worked on his boat, ect. I can only theorize why he tried to show me some affection probably because he saw I was pretty decent and my heart was good along with the fact that I was pretty stable. I also had a good sense of humor something Art always loved but also considered to be important. In the end I was not as close to him as he wanted me to be out of my own fear and insecurity. I knew Art fairly well to this day and he might have his faults as we all do but the one thing he did not lack in was his good intentions for what he saw as his kids. Kind of like an over protective parent.

All this talk of secret covert experiments through government agencies is all most laughable. First of all if you knew Art it would be very hard to picture him as a hard core republican as long as I have know him he has been nothing but a liberal democrat (just to put a label in today?s terms). Art always had a distain for government agencies especially in type of government control of the Seed. Yes in the beginning he was given a government grant this only lasted about 2 years and ever since then the Seed existed on donations. You really want to know who were the biggest donors all you have to do is look at yourself (Seed kids were and in the early days Seed parents) along with a one-time donation when someone came on the program. While a person was on the program the Seed asked parents to help pay the expenses of the person until they graduated or were given permission to go back to work, To give you an example I paid back in the early 80?s about $ 300.00 a month this included rent, food, power ect. Even back then I thought that was a dam good deal. All expenses were pooled together as to make things cheaper and more affordable (by today?s standards this would be considered a type of socialism).

    To say that Seed people had a secret agenda to control the world or that we were unwilling participants in some covert experiment is ridiculous only our own mammoth egos and over inflated sense of self-importance would ever lead us to even considered this. Some programs did result or had its genesis from the Seed mold but there are no direct relation between these programs or Art Baker except for some people who used Art?s methods as mold in the development of their programs.

As per the guy who fraudulently is using the handle of ?Billy the Dwarf ? is nothing more than that. I can?t help to think this guy would have been good during the 60?s in South America spreading the Marxists doctrine in the ?Third World Movement? under the command of Internationalism, an arm of the old Soviet communist propaganda machine that basically took a once of truth and would turn into 10 pounds of Shit. The only difference is that the old Marxists were smarter and made a lot more sense.
   Maybe in the end all that really happened with the so-called inner circle is that it became a click. Including only those people who had acquire some amount of wealth. The biggest thing they were guilty of was taken vacations together while excluding people that could not afford the lifestyle. Basically their heads got to big and they forgot where they came from (a Nuevo rich mentality). I maintain the attitude if it works for them so be it. Some if not most of these people are old friends of mine and I still consider them in the same light even if I do not see eye to eye with some of their ways.
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« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2004, 10:47:00 PM »
billie was not a dwarf, billie was a midget.if i had called myself billie the midget, that would be fraudulent, like calling myself art the saviour.                                                                                                      the mind control thing is no conspiracy. it is real, in the u.s., and YOU were subjected to it's protocols. sorry.

do your own homework, dont listen to me.
try educateyourself.org.  awareness 101. or better yet try thinking yourself, or are you still" on your program." denial: when ten pounds of shit is on your face and you won't acknowledge the smell

i think the greatest thing i see on this forum is that a bunch of people here are divesting themselves of their programming. it's almost not important where it came from but that you are free or breaking free of it. that's all.
 
if i pissed somebody off with my staff characterizations, too bad. those people were conscious of the evil they foisted on others. they were the best drones, most suseptible, most accepting, best art parrots, and most fake.
 
  completely misguided or souless meatsack, whichever, how could  a person (sic) like that hope to run an agenda to (did someone say) control the world?  yawn.



nor were these sellouts part of a covert experiment. the tests were done in the 50"s. it was the real op, dude. the gullible sychophants would have never noticed. surely you can see how the staff were royally played. but still complicit.

i told you it's from the top down. follow the foundation money and wake the fuck up. somebody here made a nice flow chart. see how many synanon smell alikes there are nationwide, all supported by war on drugs money, fed money, illuminatti foundation money and many sideways sweet deals from business types. i'm a skeptic. when thirty hammers fall on my head i see puzzle pieces falling................................into place.

i hadn't thought about this  shit for 30 years.(i've been in south america spreading marxist doctrine to troubled teens hooked on hate, control, disfunction,torture and disdain for anything human or heart centered) then something else dovetailed into this revelation. art was no hero. he was a paid program director, about lieutenant grade, equal to every other program director nationwide.it's evolution was planned, gradual, run from the top down and targeted specifically at people our age. it's exactly the same shit that's been going on at daycare centers nationwide, especially the a.b.c. logo type. lots of child abuse cases,locally squelched, kangaroo courted, and covered up. massive. too awful to contemplate, really.

 and now a seed story.

 john, an ok guy sitting next to me all morning, had to piss. he asked the staff on the side to go the guy(kenny) would never let him go. this went on all morning. about lunchtime they were standing up someone up and john raised his hand to get in the sick fray, or so they thought. they picked him and he stood up and loudly pronounced," if you don't let me go to the bathroom i;m giong to piss right here. the stupid place was stunned. he had hijacked the whole self-hate conditioning scam on some hapless little kid and set a challenge that had to be dealt with then. he stayed standing when they told him to sit and pissed mightily in his pants. bravo. he was escorted out and some underling suck-up came and twirled a filthy worn out mop in it.

 and another

 a guy from saint pete was at our seed and in my sponsors house. i thought he was a cool guy because he had gained my confidence in talking privately. i told him that i would split that scene in a heartbeat if my leg wasn't broken. it was idle chatter as i had no plan, nothing. he seemed to be helpful and genuinely nice.days later he was gone. days later i was interrogated in an upper room privately. i couldn't for the life of me figure out where these fucks were coming from. then it hit me like a ton of bricks. sold out by st. pete guy. ouch.
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« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2004, 02:02:00 PM »
Welcome, "Billie". Glad you came along. Personally, I think you're just about dead on correct. That's why I've pulled together forums on a whole lot of these Synanon based programs. I want people to be able to compare notes and find the commonalities among these programs, regardless of the various syles of window dressing.

Thank Wes Fager for the flow chart. It only shows a tiny little corner of the bigger picture; only those programs and connections radiating back and forward from Straight. But you're right,  Bobby fucking DuPont has had a hand in The Seed, Straight and other Synanon based programs right from the beginning. So far, I haven't seen solid proof that he's one of the DuPonts, so I don't know for sure. But it seems quite likely.

Same for the government/Illuminati scenareo. It certainly is no accident that this particular Program is now implimented so broadly in America and abroad (you do know about TOUGHLOVE Australia and Italy's brand new, first ever private prison corporation, right?) Though I can't prove intent or complicity on the part of any individuals or groups, the basic consept sure explains a lot and looks an awful lot like historical accounts of humans behaving badly down through the ages. So Occam's Razor dictates that we accept it as an operating hypothesis.

Anyone who wants to insist that the Program was not an intentional effort to break us down to a slave mentality, please come up w/ a better, simpler explanation for how kids intered in programs like WWASP, ELAN, CEDU, Provo Canyon and others happened to adopt weird lingo like "deadinsaneorinthegutter" and "gamey" and "clicking" (when they mean cliquing). A good place to start might be by offering your thoughts on the primal, two part question where any good investigator always starts; who's fuckin' who and where'd the money go?

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« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2004, 07:28:00 PM »
Well, I am not one for conspiracy theories. The notion that Art Barker was a CIA operative causes me chuckles.

That the government was interested in coercive mind control is documented. They army did a study at the synanon and later the feds started funding synanons across the country.

Billie, you gotta come up with more than supposition to make your theories fly. Art got cut out of the federal funding loop for refusing to have clients sign waivers acknowledging they were going into experimental treatment. No CIA guy would ever do that. Art was never part of the republican machine that came after the seed, fueled by the ambitions of Straight and helped along again by Bobbie Dupont. Wanna do some credible research...look into the dupont synanon..seed...straight connection and how the government was really involved. This would be helpfull, not some wild theory.

I would also like to suggest to you once again you change your user name out of respect for the real Billie, whever he is, alive or dead.

Thank you.
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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2004, 08:35:00 AM »
Oh, don't get me wrong. I don't think Art was listed as a CIA agent on the official payrole or anything. I think they played him. I do think that there's a discernable pattern here involving federal agencies propagating and protecting Synanon style brainwashing. I think it's conceivable, even plausible, that Bobby DuPont essentially ordered up a search for charismatic megalomaniacs w/ heavy leanings toward AA for placement in various regions as the head of Synanons for teenagers and Art and Joe Ricci fit that bill. And I think there are probably others who we haven't found out about yet. Bob Meehan's operation certainly supports the idea that this is no coincidence. This could easily be part of COINTELPRO http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=cointelpro

At the same time, the CEDU/PC/(eventually)WWASP schools were developed under a very similar model.

The real kicker? I think they've been playing w/ fire by romancing the religious fundies. I know of one organization, Institutes for Basic Life Principles headed by a guy named Bill Gothard, that tasks their best protégés to FEMA training and relief efforts. They're also the origin of the "Character First" line of seminars and school curriculum that Brother Jeb and Camilla are so enamored of. If history is any instructor, and I don't know of a better one, they could easily go all Taliban on us and pretty much take over pretty large swaths of real estate.

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