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14 Year old Dies at THAYER LEARNING CENTER
Anonymous:
They absolutely are associated with wwasp. They share an office in Utah. The Bundys used to work for wwasp before they branched off on there own. And yes they are Mormons. Absolutely they are. Call and ask them. I don't think they'd lie about that they just won't advertise it either. The Bundys share an office with the wwasp headquarters in St. George utah if I'm not mistaken. I randomly called a mormon church in St. George one time to tell them about Thayer and the lady who answered the phone had known John Bundy for years. It was somewhat of a trip to just make a phone call and get somebody who knew exactly who I was talking about. She didn't know a thing about Thayer though. Mormons are a tight community of people and to be honest with you other than that I don't know much more about them.
cherish wisdom:
It seems that all of these programs have so much in commom - Thayer, Provo Canyon School and the WWASP network - apparently they are connected and use similar punishments and techniques of mind control. They also deny children of appropriate medical care to prevent them from telling anyone outside of the facility about the abuse they both witness and experience. This is often the case. Sadly this is what happened to this boy - whose life could have been spared.[ This Message was edited by: cherish wisdom on 2005-02-13 17:37 ]
Anonymous:
The history of most programs can be found at struggling teens. Rather than focusing on the program, notice the players, how they move around, which program(s) they were involved with prior to opening their own, who were their mentors?
They are all more alike than different with slightly unique twists on things.
For instance, one program that desired to set itself apart from the bad boys out west, still hired a CEDU man as headmaster. The program has many elements and methods of CEDU, but not all.
One program owner worked at two very abusive programs where deaths had ocurred before opening his own program. Ironically, his program was closed due to a death.
They're all sordid branches of the same tree with a common root. This becomes clearer as one compares the lingo and methods used. Like one big happy incestuous family.
Apparently Willa concocted her own method, posted in another thread, but also uses the militaristic approach which is as old as the hills. They're a breed unto themselves and most 'respectable' programs desperately attempt to distinquish themselves from the low-life boot camps.
Still, when the day is done... they are all more alike than different. Some more savvy about keeping the abuse overt and/or soft on the physical abuse but heavy on the mind f'in.
They've all figured out how to drive a wedge between parent and child, while preaching 'family healing' and 'reunion'. And keeping that wedge there for them maximum lenght of time- some even suggesting boarding environments post 'graduation'- to decrease attrition and maximize profits. Would prefer to keep mommy and daddy's illusion of change in tact. You have to give it to them, its quiet an awesome business plan.
tlcrescue:
what you said about visitation is absolutely true. I showed up unannounced to pull my son from the program and, low and behold, all the doors were locked (of course, it wasnt this way the day we dropped off our son and $50,000). When they saw me on their security cameras, someone came out to talk to me. When they finally agreed to give me my son, I started to follow the employee into the building and they wouldn't let me go in. They made us wait outside.
But, I would like to say, Texas should not be on the list above. I live in Texas and the laws and regulations are different here than in MO. Unfortunately, because of the backwards laws in MO, the investigating agencies hands are tied. Since they are not licensed or regulated by the state, the state cannot just show up whenever they please, unless they have a search warrant, which also is nearly impossible to get. THis is why the Bundy's chose this state. I am sure they researched all of this thoroughly before they bought the place.
Anonymous:
Some more savvy about keeping the abuse overt and/or soft on the physical abuse but heavy on the mind f'in.
Sure you figure out that that should read, "covert", certainly not overt.
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