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14 Year old Dies at THAYER LEARNING CENTER
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-20 17:54:00, Anonymous wrote:
"OH BY THE WAY IM NOT YOUR HONEY OR YOUR SWEETIE!
:wink: "
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First of all, chicklet, it would be nice if you'd quit shouting.
Second, when I go on vacation and stay in a hotel, I'm not grateful to the Radisson or the Holiday Inn for "taking me in"---because I'm *paying* for a particular *service*.
Anybody *paid* to take care of children isn't entitled to the children's gratitude, either, because the child is *entitled* to have their basic needs met by their parents or by people their parents pay to do it.
If you think someone paid for goods and services is entitled to gratitude from the customer, and the people who taught you this were the same people being paid for the goods and services---then that's pretty good evidence that at least *part* of what you received was *brain-washing*.
When I stay at the Holiday Inn or Radisson I'm always polite to the other guests and the people who work there----but that's just because they're fellow human beings in the same world I'm in and generally entitled to the human dignity of being treated decently.
They *certainly* don't get any moral brownie points for "taking me in." And if the accommodations or service is lousy, or great, I *will* tell other prospective customers about it
(If the tone of my writing isn't sweet to you, well, it's at least partly because you're shouting.)
I can't be at all upset with people for saying things about Thayer here that they didn't say while incarcerated there----if you punish or imprison people, or hold them imprisoned longer, for giving you the straight truth on what scum you think they are, then you hardly have any room to complain when they announce to all and sundry their *true* opinion of you once they're out of your grasp.
You know what? As the unwilling recipients of Thayer's "product," these former inmates have every right to have formed an opinion of Thayer and to announce that opinion to anyone and everyone who'll listen.
The problem with coercion as a strategy for dealing with people is that they tend to hate you once they finally get out from under your thumb, and they tend to avoid you, and as soon as they get away from you they tend to go ahead and do what they wanted to do, anyway.
In a free society, punishment is ultimately only effective as a very short term stopgap between shaping behavior by persuasion, example, encouragement, and learning. Reward is also a stopgap, but it has less of a downside.
When you punish someone for telling you you're a jerk, all that happens is that they make sure they get away from you before telling *everyone* else what a jerk you are.
If the people at Thayer were as smart as they claim about teaching people to predict the consequences of their choices, maybe they'd choose better, eh?
Timoclea
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-12-20 21:30:00, Anonymous wrote:
First of all, chicklet,
Timoclea"
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chicklet. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Anonymous:
You know Personally I think you guys are spending WAY TOO MUCH TIME on this web site and if you are so worried about this cadet that died and if you are so worried about Mrs. Willa and Mr. Bundy just write back and i would be more than happy to give whoever the number where yall can reach Mrs. Willa at cause i personally think that if you have something to say about someone or something you should be man or woman enough to say it to that persons face! holla at cha girl! :grin:
Anonymous:
I agree with you but at the same time i was at thayer for over a year i can say that all this crap that yall are saying is what i said crap, it is all crap so yeah your right you do have a right to say what ever tha heck you want to say , but is it true? who is this that is writing all this crap about Thayer? why dont you come out and tell us who you are cause im sure that i have worked with you before and i am sure that you are taking this way out of hand! oh and by the way NOBODY IS SHOUTING! you dont even know the meaning of that word honey! know what your saying and than i might think about talking to you! you ( who ever you are) came to Thayer a LOSER and as we can all see you left Thayer a LOSER! Get a life dude for real! ::noway:: yeah and even though they were payed to do what they did, they still tried to help you change your lives and yeah so what if it was just a job to some people! eveybody has to make a living and thats what the people there wanted to do they didnt have to wake up every morning to come to work so why dont yall just quit wasting your time and get over it this is not our battle! oh and by the way this is Blair! im not afrid to let you guys know who this is.
Anonymous:
First off, ALL CAPS IS SHOUTING. Second, please try and construct your sentences so that they have regular intervals (i.e. no run-on sentences). It would make it much[/b] easier to read.
Third...
Teen Dies at School Known for Strict Discipline
http://www.kctv5.com/global/story.asp?s ... Type=Print
KIDDER, Mo. (AP) -- Authorities are investigating the death of a 15-year-old boy at a private, military-style boot camp in this northwest Missouri community.
Jerry Banks, who runs Thayer Learning Center Boot Camp and Boarding School, said the student died Nov. 3, less than a week after enrolling. The student's name was not released.
Banks said the student apparently died of an "unexplained medical condition." Though Thayer students participate in intense physical exercise, Banks said the student was not involved in any physical activity when he died.
Without elaborating, Jeff Alsup -- Caldwell County's chief sheriff's deputy -- said the death was part of an ongoing investigation.
Caldwell County Coroner Gary Brown said Wednesday he still had not received word on any autopsy findings, including preliminary ones about the cause of death.
"There's really nothing we can tell you right now," he said.
Banks said he was unaware of the student having any prior medical conditions that required special attention, and that the student appeared healthy when he enrolled.
"We're cooperating with everyone, because we want the answer, too," he said.
Thayer has more than 100 students, nearly all from outside Missouri, and charges $4,000 a month for tuition and room and board.
Missouri law generally exempts boarding schools from state regulation and oversight, but some schools have had to fight critics who say they excessively discipline students. The schools often attract parents desperate to change their children's drug use, gang activity and violent behavior.
Thayer's Web site bills the boot camp and reform school as "a life-changing experience for teens ages 13-18," a "highly structured" place on roughly 20 acres of farm land 45 miles north of Kansas City.
"We recognize that there is a tremendous need for a positive behavior modification program for troubled teens," the Web site says. "Our boot camp will help them learn the importance of self-respect, respect for others and their property, and positive self esteem through a series of goals they will reach in the program."
"If your teen is doing drugs, defiant, disrespectful, disobedient, abusive, or needs a wake up call to reality, TLC boot camp has an opening just for him or her," the Web site continues. "It's time to stop making all your decisions based on the behavior of your teen. Our efficient drill sergeants are waiting to help put you, the parent, back in command."
This year, two religious reform schools closed following abuse allegations.
In October, Thanks to Calvary Baptist Church and Boarding Academy, near Waynesville about 130 miles southwest of St. Louis, shuttered in the wake of enrollment drops after the school's founder was accused of using excessive discipline against an Illinois teen last year.
In May, Mountain Park Baptist Boarding Academy, in southeast Missouri near Patterson, closed in light of sagging enrollment and a $20,000 jury award to a teenager who claimed mistreatment.
Religious reform school Heartland Christian Academy, in rural northeast Missouri near the Lewis County town of Bethel, has successfully fought allegations of abuse, with charges against the school's employees either being dropped or dismissed by juries. A judge recently awarded $800,000 to Heartland, saying a raid by abuse investigators was unjustified.
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