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Rev. #1 Cost of Seed - per child - survey (ignore earlier po
« on: September 04, 2002, 03:29:00 PM »
In an effort to determine just how much of a goldmine The Seed was to Art Barker, I am trying to ascertain the fee structure over the years.  I believe it started off 30 years ago at about $3,000 per child.  What did the fee end up being, all those years later?  If you all would please reply with the year you were in the Seed and the amount you believed your parents paid. Also, what location were you in, for how long, and approximately how many kids were in that location while you were there.  Thank you.
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« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2002, 06:06:00 AM »
In '71 it was free, through donations, at least that's what I was lead to believe.
In '75 on my second go-around it was a $1500
donation, you didn't have to give it, you were only strongly urged, And boy did I ever hear about how much it cost from my parants after I got to go home.
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« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2002, 06:08:00 AM »
anyway, 1st time was Andrews ave., second time was on 84
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« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2002, 10:48:00 AM »
They charged 1500 per kid at st pete in 73, but actually would take less if you cried poor mouth.
The real money was made Friday nights, when hundreds of parents and observes would put money in the basket and try to outdue each other. $50s and 100s were common according to my father.
The warehouse was donated. Most staff was volunteer(except senior staff). Housing was free or next to it. All food was donated. Air conditioning was non existent.
Where did the money go?  I got a pretty good idea.
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« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2002, 12:06:00 PM »
greg, airconditioning was very present on 84
upstairs in arts area, the rest of us simply seat or freeze, depending on the time of year.
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« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2002, 12:21:00 PM »
Yep, there were two offices in the front of St Pete with AC.
When I said non existent, I meant for all practicle purposes. We all know Art wasn't about the suffer
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« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2002, 05:11:00 PM »
Is that how much it cost for my incarceration? My parents never talked about it in real terms....only that they were spending money to make me better!!

I guess my father got off cheaper since he was banned from coming to the Open Meetings, because he was too drunk!
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« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2002, 02:02:00 PM »
Thank you for your responses to date.  So far, the concensus seems to be about $1,500 per child in the early 70s, plus all the $50 and $100 dollar bills on Friday nights. Can we say 100 members per Friday night at an average of $75 each for a total of $7500 each Friday night? $7500 times 52 weeks is $390,000 times 10 years is almost $4 million, or $8 million for 20 years -- just coming from the Friday night collections!!

How many of you were there in the Seed at your location at any one time.  50, 100 kids? And how long was the program; i.e., the turnover rate.

Could more people please respond for later years?  the late 70s, the 80s, 90s.

My brothers were in during the 70s and believe or not, my mother later billed each brother $3,300 for her cost.  So I am thinking the amount per kid was greater than $1500.

Thanks for any / all input.
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« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2002, 05:37:00 PM »
I am not sure how many kids were with me. I think Greg has a better idea of our time period than I do.

Greg, I want to say 200+ kids, early 70's in St Pete, is that about right? You are sooo much better at the specific memories than I am.
Thanks
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« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2002, 11:28:00 AM »
There were over 500 kids in June of 73 and it flutuated down to about 350 up to 750. Most of the time, 500 was pretty accurate, and they were graduating kids like crazy. It was a true revolving door.
There was no incentive to keep you like there was in the later straight type programs where they billed your insurance company. So, they got you in, and thankfully, they got us out relatively quick in comparison to the kids that came after us in the spinoff programs like straight, kids, SAFE.

Some of those kids spent years on first and second phase.
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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2002, 07:43:00 PM »
I agree, with that assesment, I remember in 73-74 when we first moved over to 84, we pretty much filled up the big room, between 500 to 750 at one time.
There were at least 3 to 5 front row newcomers then and that was 15 to 20 across
for each side.
Back then it wasn't unusal to see at least 3
newcomers come in ech weekday.
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2002, 06:06:00 PM »
that`s what i remember also.. about 500 people over at 84.

 seemed like there were just as many over at the blimp hanger in opa-locka when i was there later..

  blue
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2002, 08:38:00 PM »
Art Bragged in the Miami Herald that he could affectively handle up to 1000 kids at a time. I think at times group approached that figure.

Contrast that to a modern day Seed Spinoff, SAFE in Orlando, FL. There are times when there are 15 to 20 kids in there, motivating their little asses off with 3 or 4 staff members. Imagine hiding in that group?

Never.
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« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2004, 04:15:00 AM »
When my husband went to the seed in 1983 it cost us 10,000.  This was not a donation.  Donation letters were sent out all the time.  My family gave many dollars to the seed till i put a halt to it.  When my husband sat on the front row there were about 10 other newcomers at that time.
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« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2004, 01:05:00 PM »
And when I was there, there were about 750 kids. The seed went thru a kind of transformation over the years.

Tell me, is your husband posting here or reading? What is his opinion of his time there?

And thanks for participating.


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