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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-10-26 14:07:00, Anonymous wrote:
WOW!!! this shit sounds like BIG BROTHER at his finest, especially the part about "The Seed was always careful of how people were doing" not even the religious cult i was involved in was this scary. eeeechhh!!
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Indeed, it was! Till I was around 13 years old, I had to attend open meetings with my mother. It wasn't much worse than church services or political activities when I was really young. But as I got older, it was pure torture.
One of the reasons why they were so careful about how everyone was doing was that, like any insular community, they feared outside influence more than anything. Everyone present had to be either 100%, cheefully, entheusiastically supportive of the doctrine and methods of the Program (Art, essentially) or be condemned or be banished.
So, they always had a sort of guard at the gate, usually a young man or two on their program, and another checkpoint at the door, usually upper staff.
Every Friday night, as we got closer to the building, my heart sunk further into the pit of my stomach. Every week, I dreded that Art or Shelly or Libby or some other staffer was going to decide that I didn't "look good" (happy to see them, well rested, God forbid my eyes were red, etc.) and I'd land up on front row before the evening was out. Every friend I tried to make, my mother suspected them of being a druggie and I didn't dare challenge her on it.
To seek out the best through the whole Union, we must resort to the information which from the best of men, acting disinterestedly and with the purest motives, is sometimes incorrect.
Thomas Jefferson Letter to Elias Shipman and others of New Haven, July 12, 1801.
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Somejoker:
"Hey Gregg being that you asked and do like and respect you even though we don?t always see eye to eye and Taking into account these are things I?m still working on."
your welcome and I respect you too, but someone else asked that.
However, you said "teenager who went to the seed will defend it"
Yep, SOME of them, and the ones that do all sound exactly the same...lets see..They would be dead without the seed..before the seed they were worthless and now they are great. blah blah. Same old same old.
At least with the critics we all have unique stories to tell.
Another thing, many many kids went to the seed, got out, the seed left town and they really never had a lot of issues to deal with and NEVER REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE PROCESSES TO WHICH THEY WERE SUBJECTED TO. They only parrot what they were told so many years ago, that they were worthless and dying before the seed and now that is not true. Balderdash I say!
Further, I think that you can justify all day long why at age 30 8 years after graduating a drug rehab you need permission to date, to marry and to go to a concert, why people are dressing like the leader and claiming he can read minds, and asking permission to get a job or go to school,but to the rest of the world it sounds creepy and cultic...because it is.
But I still respect those that support it even if sometimes it is hard for me to understand. I do try very hard to put myself in your place when some long termer or supporter posts tho.
[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-10-26 19:14 ]
Somejoker:
And ANON, you are asking a lot of questions of us. I think it is time you tell us a little about the religious cult you were in....tit for tat.
Somejoker:
--- Quote ---On 2004-10-26 15:17:00, Anonymous wrote:
You will also find that people who were exposed to the Seed in their teenage years will defend the Seed and it?s methods.
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I was, and I don't..and neither do many that were there, including many that were "long termers". I guess that is a term we are gonna adopt on this board to describe those there for years and years in the 80s and 90s.
marshall:
Reading minds? Yeah, I had forgotten about that. Does anyone remember art and staff talking about being able to see colored auras around people? I often saw auras BEFORE I went to the seed. Acid tends to do that. :silly:
A couple of years after I graduated my program, a friend wanted to put her son into the seed. She was in her late fifties and a single working mother. Her 14 year old son was having lots of attitude problems, minor trouble with the law, drinking and smoking some pot. She knew about the seed from my experience and asked me to call them about putting her son on the program. The only problem was money. She was a factory worker with very limited means. I assured her that money woudn't be an issue. (I had yet to sort out my own feelings about the seed and still had a rosey view of the program in many ways) Surely the seed wouldn't disqualify anyone for lack of funds.
I called and spoke with Libby. I explained my friends situation fully and suggested that she would be able to make a down payment and then make payments for her son to enter the program. I was shocked by Libby's response. Libby flatly refused to take her son without full payment up front. I think it was $5,000 at that time. There was no way this lady could get that kind of money.
Looking back, I consider this fortunate for her son. He grew up, married, had kids, quit drugs and rarely even drinks a beer. But this really caused me to further question the seed. It seems that money was a primary motivation.
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