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Portrait of Art
Anonymous:
God-my ribs hurt
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2004-10-22 09:49:00, cleveland wrote:
Art used to end things with, "If I can help just one person, than it's all been worth it." I found that a hard one to argue with and it kept me around for a long time.
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But it is a statement void of logic.
I too remember him as far back as 1973 saying that over and over, but if you help one person and hurt three, how is that "worth it"? Or even if you Help one and injure another, where is the gain? If one graduate was never to use drugs again and another graduate fires a super sized shot of deadly drugs into his vein in front of his wife and child (we miss you Dave), was it "worth it"? If one graduate finds community in the seed and another loses his family and friends over his association and feels worthless for years, is that also "worth it"?
The seed was way to harmfull for way to many people to proclaim it "worth it" and that line of Art's smacks of justification for his little cultic experiment.
To use an extreme analogy to make a point, if you feed a hungry dog by killing and feeding him a family of four, you have surely helped that dog, But what of that family?
The end does NOT justify the means. In the case of the seed, the end wasn't even anything to be proud of but instead was a shattered cult barely speaking to one another, confused and embittered, not sure of how to assimilate into normal society, mostly devoid of children and normalcy.
None of it was "worth it" in my opinion.
GregFL:
And now that you say the tatoo was "death before dishonor", I just have to admit my memory has failed me on that.
Was there a dagger thru it?
I remember that tatoos were taboo in the seed, at least any you would have got after becoming a seedling.
Somejoker:
--- Quote ---On 2004-10-22 09:49:00, cleveland wrote:
OK, I remembered one of Art's favorite jokes. When there was some kind of holiday, he's walk into the rap room where everyone was seated, and say, "Welcome, celebates! Er, I mean celebrants!" I laughed until it hurt.
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Yeah, thats it, make fun of the poor guys carrying around the load whilst you got a girl 20 years younger (at least one) waiting. Further rub this in to these Celebate devotees by Singing the Whoppie song with your young bride in front of the group. Parade around the girls on the weekend in their bikinis at the beach and allow the guys to play touch football with them, but forbid sex...
Betcha a dollar I can guess what the favorite nightime hobby was of male long termers.
:grin:
Antigen:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... um=8#64892
Damn, Walley. Again, Evan didn't get all the talent in the family.
I find it ironic, sad and (despite myself) funny as hell that Art is now in a position to benefit greatly from consuming cannabis. Of course, he won't, can't, can't even entertain the notion, no matter how bad the pain gets or how debilitating the spasms.
Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones
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Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
10/80 - 10/82
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Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
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