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Anonymous:
Antigen- It sounds like your parents suck- but they also were worried that their little girl could possibly turn out like her brothers.  It sounds like to me they did the best they could.  Maybe thet wern't right about alot and gave the responsibility to othgers to love & nurish you - but so what you are like the rest of us.  Its 30 years later and why do you make a crusade out of it?  Let it go for your sanity.  (yeah I know your worried about the rest of the world) Thats good but its sounds like  & it rings loud and clear to me that you need to LET IT GO.  Move on like others have.  Have a good life & love the hell out of someone else like you didn't get.

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2004-10-10 06:30:00, Anonymous wrote:

 Its 30 years later and why do you make a crusade out of it?

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My parents got suckered by a smooth operator. It wouldn't have been so bad to turn out like my older brothers. They really weren't getting into a lot of trouble. They just got swept up in the Seed craze just like a lot of other people in our neighborhood.

The reason it's still important today is becase of what they've been doing for the last 30 years. Art and his little band of freaky followers may have pulled in their horns but there's more to it.

For almost 20 years, I did put it behind me. Never stayed in touch w/ old Seedlings or Straightlings, never really talked about the experience except w/ very close friends, usually when asked about high school or when they were talking about their youth or reminiscing about how they'd come to be friends.

What got my attention was when Brother Jeb took office in `98. One of the first things he did as governor was to promise $100M in funding for juvenile rehabilitation programs. I remembered that Nancy Reagan had been involved w/ Straight and we all know that the Büsh dynasty is pretty much an extention of the Reagan admin. So I had to look. And what I've found is that the Program really never shut down at all. The corporation changed it's name from Straight to Drug Free America Foundation, which is an extremely influential, not to mention expensive, public advocacy group. They're making disasterous public policy in my country.

Here's just one example.
The Governor's Sub-rosa Plot to Subvert an Election in Ohio
http://fornits.com/anonanon/Forbes/ohio/

There's much, much more. DFAF members are also involved in Drugwatch International, which seeks (w/ great success) to steer our forign policy to the task of their manic jihad against drugs that they don't sell. DFAF was very proud of their accomplishment in getting the federal government to pay the Taliban $43M to declare opium poppies to be ungodly. That was the summer before the towers came down.

Here's a google search that illustrates some of those ties.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=df ... +drugwatch

They're also behind DARE in the schools and the Safe and Drug Free Schools/Workplaces/Communities programs. They lobby for mandated public spending directly to their piss nazi corporations.

Art didn't start The Seed all by himself like he always said. He didn't invent the method and he couldn't have expanded as he did w/o federal funding through NIDA under Bobby DuPont. NIDA also funded a bunch of other Synanon based programs accross the country, just like he said he would after touring Synanon back in the late `60's.

And the plan was much more comprehensive than just warehouse and storefront groups. I think that if people understood just how crazy these people are, maybe they'd quit letting them write public policy and quit handing them public funding.

These crazy bastards were not just dreaming when they talked about turning the whole country into the Program. To a great extent, they have succeeded.
Never attempt to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.
--Unanimous
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Antigen:
Here's something that just landed on a discussion list today.


--- Quote ---THAILAND'S WAR ON DRUG USERS:
THE ESTIMATE OF THE NUMBER OF EXECUTIONS
NOW PLACED AT BETWEEN 3,000 AND 5,000
http://www.actupny.org/reports/thai_support.html

Ganjawarnews: 10-8/9-4 http://tinyurl.com/3pahb
Illustrated: http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/msg1x74598.shtml

US PRAISES THAI DRUG WAR! 2500 dead the first 10 months...
http://makeashorterlink.com/?H440131B6

United States' Answer To Drug War Proves Harmful
http://makeashorterlink.com/?N261231B6

Thailand: US Grants Usd 45 Million Assistance To Thailand
http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04.n1416.a02.html

* The Thai Army receives U.S. training...
* Since 1974, the U.S.  government has provided a total of over 85 million dollars
to Thailand under the bilateral assistance program for anti-narcotics...
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What else would they do?
The Thai's are just following through with Bushn Newtn Walters and Bennetts
avocation...

They poison hundreds of thousands with chemicals, hemp doesn't use, Thousands more on
morons hidden chemical weapons in cigarettes. Pesticide venom, Prison rape as
deterrents and poisoning pot with paraquat for disobedient kids. Scams for profits
killing citizens to push reefer madness, This is the inevitable result of Trafficking
the Büshit Ganjawar to profit his NewWeirdOdor fascist.
Peace, Love and Liberty or Büshit DEAth! ... DdC
http://boards.marihemp.com/boards/cultu ... 4/4933.gif
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Bush's Faustian Deal With The Taliban By Robert Scheer
Published May 22, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times ... DeJaVu!
http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn ... 052201.htm

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The people who contribute to these lists, for the most part, don't know of the connections between Program founders and current drug war lunacy. I'm trying to remedy that.

To seek out the best through the whole Union, we must resort to the information which from the best of men, acting disinterestedly and with the purest motives, is sometimes incorrect.
Thomas Jefferson Letter to Elias Shipman and others of New Haven, July 12, 1801.

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cleveland:
OK, since Ginger has opened the door to considering this from a Policy perspective...

I am no expert here at all. However, I'll take a quick stab at this...

1. I live in an inner city neighborhood, my job has to do with neighborhood revitalization. My neighborhood is 'trendy;' i.e., suburbanites will visit our high-end restaurants and some will by and renovate houses here or new townhouses. But just adjacent to the 'gentrified' area, there are drug houses, drug dealers, hookers, the occasional shooting. Cleveland's the poorest city in America, and it shows in our poorly performing schools, lack of services, police cuts, etc.

Every couple of weeks during the summer, I spend time calling the police on kids who are 'wild in the streets' outside my door - intimidating people with stares and loud music, selling drugs, drinking, getting high. These are by and large the boys, of course. The girls hang out with the guys, and some (many) of them concieve children in their mid to late teens. Some of them have substance issues. Most houses on my street are rental units, with absentee landlords. The housing stock is falling into disrepair.

My peaceful, middle class neighbors are moving away, and not being replaced by as many younger working people. There are not many jobs for those who live here, unless you're an entrepreneur or a professional - the working-class jobs are going fast.

The suburbanites demonize the inner city poor, of course, causing further loss of services to the neighborhoods, more sprawl, more segregation, more poverty, poorere schools, etc.

2. Two most dangerous drugs - alcohol and cigarettes. Alcohol has some health benefits when consumed in moderation by adults; tobacco none (unless used as a sacriment as the native americans do). Marijuana has some negative effects on lungs and perhaps motivation and perhaps sperm counts, but most users are pretty low-key; many people slow down in early adulthood because it's hard for most of us to function in a job stoned - although I do know of one person who smokes daily, but he's manic depressive and it is far superior to other anti-depressants for him - he's self-medicating. There are other alleged health benfits too but I can't go into that. Indiginous people chew coca leaves - it's part of their culture. Refined drugs like cocaine and herion are dangerous when abused, no doubt. Some people have found positive experiences from LSD and other hallucinagenics.

Point is, people will get high, In our culture, we've turned it into an 'all or nothing' proposition, instead of honestly evaluating the pluses and minuses and being conscious about whatever we consume or put in our body.

3. My wife and I are going to have a baby. What will we tell our child about drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, etc.? I hope we will be honest, but also realizing that children's awareness is limited. I hope to preserve innocence for as long as possible. Many people in my family have struggled with alcohol use; I hope that my child won't. I also don't want my kid to be toking up in sixth grade. Again, I think honesty and awareness are the key here, without being too permissive - or totalitarian for that matter.

4. The drug war is not working, as Ginger points out. I don't think it works with a person, if you try to shame them into being straight, or with a neighborhood, or a culture or country. I think it's a shame what we are doing to other countries with a drug policies - not to mention our oil policy (another dependancy for us).

My suggestion? Legalize most drugs, moniter use, provide plenty of treatment, national health care, invest in the schools, slow sprawl, preserve the environment, push sustainable development, change the political system to encourage honesty and long-term solutions, limit the power of corporations. See what a naive liberal I proudly am!

What the seed had, and straight lacked, was a sense of community and commeraderie at it's best. Coercion for the most part was gentle, teasing and positive (in my day). Most of the graduates have turned out pretty good, judging by these postings. However, I think the lack of freedom, the 'either-or'thinking, the heirarchy, the anti-intellectualism and closed mindedness of the seed doomed it in the long term, and I'm sad to see what it spawned in straight and national drug policy. I see it as part of a big american denial system.

I'm still clarifying my thoughts on this...

Interesting to see what others think.

Anonymous:
Could you please explain:  "Legalize most drugs, moniter use & slow sprawl?  Thank you

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