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Any fond memories, lessons or other positive aspects of The
rjfro22:
GregFL
I live in Los Angeles since
1976. I think we were in different programs,
I remember tough love when needed, the group even came down on me at times and I learned a lot from it. I never saw anything like what you have discribed.
GregFL:
The seed constantly tweaked the culture. I personally witnessed as did others at the St pete seed little tiny 14 year old girls stood up, berated sexually in front of the entire group.
The "I bet you couldnt even fuck a coke bottle" routine was repeated ad naseum and usually left the little girls crying and spent. Also, "guys never liked you, they only used you for sex" "you were nothing but a joke on the streets" type bellittlement was not only common but routine.
I have noticed a phenom with people who support the program and that is they often have shut out the negativity and refuse to discuss it. I think it has something to do with really buying into the big lie that you were worthless and going to die without the almighty help of the seed, and that all means were justified by the redemption (purity as one recently described it) the seed gave you.
I didnt need to be saved by those nuts. I could have done just fine not spending 12 hours a day in that hot warehouse without adequate food or water in constant fear of being confronted and having my freedom stripped from me.
I am sincerely glad you are posting here rjfro22, I just think you really havent stopped to critically examine the processes you went thru that cause you to be a grateful graduate of thought reform.
check out these quotes.
"The whole trick is to make you feel like the lowest scum of the Earth. I knew it was wrong. I wanted to stand up there and tell them they were all full of it but I didn't know my court order was phony".
Archie Mcrimmon, former seed employee, describing the "come down on you therapy", remembered that Seedlings were forced to stand up in front of the whole group of Seedlings and listen to hours of abuse and also reflecting that he stayed there because he was told he was court ordered, which later turned out to be phony.
or....
"If you don't, she will die".
Told to a potential Seed parent by a Seed father. The mother then called the girl out of class by telling her she had a doctors appointment, and the Seed father then, according to the girl, kidnapped her from St Pete Catholic and beat her on school premise. The Girl showed an evening independent reporter black and blue marks on her legs which she claimed resulted from the incident. The resulting scuffle in which the girl screamed and kicked as she was dragged to the car was witnessed by teachers and students in the schoolyard.
No charges were filed against the man by the St Pete police. The chief of police was a Seed parent.
The St Pete Independent 6/74
Anonymous:
At the time when everything felt so surreal and uncertained about 3 days into the Seed
I can remember a golden afternoon light filling the back rap room bringing to me for the first time in what seemed years a overwealming peace of mind. I remember thinking "It's over" I can finally breath again as I looked out toward the truckers shed and the side lot.
Somejoker:
what was the significance of the truckers shed, and does it relate to "Truckers" handle.
Thanks for the explanation in advance.
Anonymous:
This was not meant to be a cryptic message.
The Truckers shed was the Shed on the side lot where all the tools were kept for gardening and maintance of the building.Big in the early 70's when the Strd84 Seed opened the guys who did the work on the grounds were nicked named "The Truckers" so the shed was called the Truckers shed. I was just trying to convey a mood.
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