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Physical Symptoms
Robin Martin:
rjfro22, I couldn't agree more w/ what you are saying. My experiences have been very similar to yours. I've had my slips but continue to go back to the basic teachings of the Seed - warts and all!! As in all things in life, there is a Yin and Yang. I've never regretted my choice to "enlist" in the program. Well, maybe for the first week - but after that, I knew I had a long road ahead of me. I, too, hitch-hiked all over, shot drugs i.e., EVERYTHING which could go into my veins. Wasn't interested in smoking, snorting, dropping, etc., just wanted to shoot it. I had been doing needles since I was barely 16 and asked to be put in the Seed a month shy of my 18th birthday. What a blessing for me!! Yes, it was boot camp to the extreme, but I NEVER would have "gotten it" if it hadn't been as "tough" as it was. I had seen "family counselers" and could TOTALLY manipulate them as I saw fit. It seemed they placed all the blame on my alcoholic dad and mom inflicted w/ depression. (which I must say, she overcame after I got it together via the Seed) Yes, you CANNOT bullshit a bullshitter. That was part of the magic of the Seed. I have an adult son and many friends w/ children and they do not like to confront me becaue they KNOW that I KNOW what's going on. It's a trip to see someone in their teens trying to get over on me. Incidently, my son is awesome and never got into the trouble I did. He is as good as I was rotten and I'm truly blessed. I too live in CA - moved out here after graduating from the Seed; married a good man (also in the Seed) and had a wonderful son. It sounds like you're one of the few that "got it" and I wish you the best. Please feel free to e/m me if you'd like!
Robin Martin:
Actually, I strayed from what I was going to respond to...Physical Symptoms.
I went through such withdrawals (not from any particular drug) but from my f***** up lifestyle AND drug use that I relate the experience to that of "A Clockwork Orange"
Don't know how many of you saw that movie, but it's very similar to what I felt I experienced(brainwashing - so be it) Anyway, it was a very powerful movie experience which seemed to parallel my recovery program w/ the Seed.
I would get physically ill if I smelled Pot which was VERY strange for me. I would pass by my old hangouts and get nauseous. Very strange, indeed but it didn't matter because it worked for ME. I know of several people that refused to let go of their past, for whatever reason, and believe they probably suffer today. My life is good - not perfect my any means, but good!
GregFL:
Yes, the movie clockwork orange depicts government experimental mind control.
Something you may have missed...while it worked for a while on Alex, eventually the "experiment" was a failure.
Good analogy Robin!!!!
Antigen:
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Greg,
Is what you are saying is using drugs had nothing to do with there weakness , in fact you almost sound like you are saying they used drugs because of the Seed. You know that old saying, " you can't bullshit a bullshitter", well you and I know we can all get one over on a phychologist. But we couldn't put one over on our peers, . The power of the seed was us all sharing similar problems and we really could not get one over on each other...
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I agree w/ Greg about the difference between voluntary involvement by people who actually had drug problems and involuntary involvement by people who did not.
When you showed up and heard about all the classic scenareos and problems of substance abuse, it may have seemed like they were reading you like a book. But so damned many kids got roped into the Program who were not in big trouble w/ drugs. And we were described and derided in precisely the same terms. Guess what? You got bullshitted.
They serve so that we don't have to. They offer to give up their lives so that we can be free. It is, remarkably, their gift to us. And all they ask for in return is that we never send them into harm's way unless it is absolutely necessary. Will they ever trust us again?
Michael More
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Anonymous:
majorly bullshitted to the point many of them committed their lives to the cult.
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