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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2004, 02:59:00 PM »
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his problem is not so much the alcohol or drugs- it is avoiding himself and not wanting to live life on lifes terms and come under authority and accountability...

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Translation: his problem is not so much the alcohol or the drugs- it is not submitting to the control of his over-bearing parents and not wanting to live life on our terms and come under our complete authority...

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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2004, 03:11:00 PM »
That's how I read it. It's been almost a year since this parent posted. It would be good to know how this young man did in the country. I tend to think (hope) that he did fairly well, since I think his mom would have posted anything negative to further support her position. Instead, it appears that she dropped off the board after that last post.
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2004, 04:39:00 PM »
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he is furious with me (which i know means he is furious with himself but can't go there yet).


No, it means he's furious w/ you, ma. I would be too. So glad to hear he was able hook up w/ a friend w/ a supportive and understanding family.

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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2004, 05:42:00 PM »
What's saddest about this is the parents who think their bipolar teen's sexual behavior is going to be "fixed" by some inpatient facility.

It won't.

70% of bipolars are "hypersexual."  They're going to have a high sex drive even on medication, and they're going to act on it.

The "best" you can hope for is "safe" sex in a monogamous relationship.  A bipolar who's part of that 70% just is NOT going to be celibate.

Since a lot of parents won't accept any behavior *but* celibacy from their teens, they're ill-equipped to cope with the disease.

It's *normal* for biological adults to have sex.  You can't stop *normal* human fundamental drives without doing something damned abnormal to the human.

Dumbasses.

Grow a brain.  Hand the kid a pack of condoms and encourage him/her to confine getting his/her sexual "fix" from one or a very few close friends.

Accept that there is a wide range of human behavior that is out there that isn't destructive, and that if you have a bipolar teen, your teen *very* likely *will* be sexually active no matter what you do, even on perfectly managed medication.

Trying to avoid HIV and pregnancy by getting your bipolar teen to avoid sex is about as likely to be successful as trying to get your cat to stop licking it's fur.  It ain't gonna happen.

It's not "sex addiction"---It's bipolar disorder, and it's *NOT* curable.  By anything.  And the effective treatments do *not* reduce sex drive to average---maybe to the high side of normal.  

I wonder how many of these kids get shipped off because the parents are too fucking immature to realize that teenagers have gonads and are going to use them?  Particularly if your particular teen has a sex drive on the high side of the bell curve---as he/she very likely will if he/she is bipolar.

And then they say, "Little Johnny is obviously still angry with us."

Well, D'oh!!!!!  No shit, Sherlock.

The desire of a healthy human being past puberty to have sex is not pathological, it's psychologically and biologically not only *normal*, but essential.

What, a third to half of teens are sexually active?  If your teen has a high sex drive, guess which third (or half) he/she is going to be in?

Ratchenfrackenfrickenfracken stupid effing Puritans.......

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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2004, 06:01:00 PM »
hahahaha!!!! :rofl: :rofl:

I'll openly admit right now that the only reason I'm a virgin at 19 is because I have aspurgers syndrome, and thus shitty social skills and can't get laid.

I've had arguements with people who think they should teach kids its wrong to masturbate in highschool, a few of the students were puritans of a sort and I had a sparring match in a class a few times.

Parents it seems are just sooo terrified of their kids growing up and having a normal libido, and they *PUNISH* or *HIT!!* their kid if they explore. Its soooo sad, and it could really mess them up in the future. Shame issues about that (or anything) are horrible for your self esteem.

My parents were open and accepting, just don't talk about it much, and I really don't need to... I had friends to learn from. One thing that did impress me is my friends family is very open about everything and doesn't hide anything from their kids. I wish more were like that.

Its pretty refreshing to see my friends 12 year old sis who actually accepts herself and whats going on with her body instead of being sooo ashamed about it.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2004, 06:37:00 PM »
This is in reply to what this person said:

"What has become of your life that entitles you to criticize and sit in judgment of others all the time?
Nowhere in any of these posting do I see someone talk about a ?fixed child? or the parent?s misconception of how a boarding school was supposed to fix and solve all the family problems.

It reads Just like any other parent giving it their best shot to help a troubled teen. Teens and young adults continue to grow for years. Growing up into an adult is a process. Do you think the parent in this posting should keep a child in a program when it just the normal developmental problems arising?
If not, what exactly is your point to scrutinize these posts?

Does it fluff up your ego because you have an untroubled teen and you are the ?good parent? like no one else can be?
What a mean spirited person you are then.

When you stir up a big nothing like this, you seem to be sad damaged women who cannot get on with her life.
Go scream at your mother and stop acting in such a nasty vindictive way towards others.
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I am not a parent.  I am a former student of one of these types of schools and know 1st hand how it can damage someone!
But I do believe that parents that send thier kids to these type of schools believe that their kids will come out "fixed" or "normal", or whatever thay want to call it!  They are disappointed when their kids, after spending all that money, are not the way that they thought they would be (this is just placing their standards & expectations of how their child is supposed to be onto their child - AND not respecting who their child is as who they really are)!!!  My point of saying this is so that parents out there who are reading these posts DO NOT send their kids to these types of schools!  How do I know this will happen, I hear it from my parents to this day!
I do believe that my parents BELIEVED that they had no other option, but they should of trusted in me.  That I was just developing and growing, going through that "rebellion stage".  

And No - I don't think that a parent should keep their kid in these kind of boarding schools!  I hate them and believ that they create more problems in kids!

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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2004, 11:07:00 PM »
Funny, one of the posts I left out (for brevity) was the mom telling how she was on Wellbutin to ease her depression and increase her libido.  :lol:
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2004, 11:23:00 PM »
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On 2004-09-26 15:37:00, Anonymous wrote:

It reads Just like any other parent giving it their best shot to help a troubled teen.


Yeah, except for the part about 4 different gulags followed by disowning the kid.  :eek: And then bragging about it to her fellow hategroup members on the net.

I'm sincerley not sure if you understand or not, but that's only normal for Program parents. To the rest of the world--including, apparently, Mexico, Costa Rica and the Czeck Republic--it's a pretty horrific story.

You should read about Francis Farmer. Then maybe you'll begin to understand.

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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2004, 12:21:00 AM »
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On 2004-09-26 20:07:00, Deborah wrote:

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Funny, one of the posts I left out (for brevity) was the mom telling how she was on Wellbutin to ease her depression and increase her libido.  :lol: "


Different meds affect different people different ways.  But I've known a lot of other bipolars, and they may get more self-control and discretion about their sexual behavior when they (we) are on their meds, but expecting celibacy is a fool's dream.

Bipolars sexualize early.  Locking them up is a little extreme when a box or two of condoms and some good advice about picking their partners would do just fine at controlling the long-term real risks of HIV or pregnancy.

I get as hacked off when I hear people talk about "sex addiction" as I do when I hear people talk about "food addiction"---and I wonder how long it will be before people start talking about water, clothing, shelter, and breathing "addictions."

Or hand washing or lock checking "addictions" for that matter.  Or gambling "addictions."

OCD behavior and addiction are two different things that have a few things in common, but you just can't *reasonably* deal with self-destructive food or sex behaviors the way you deal with alcohol or cocaine abuse.

And it's stupid to try, IMAO.  

Deal with the anxiety underlying the OCD behavior, and the food or sex drifts back closer to normal bounds.

But trying to get a bipolar kid to be celibate is like trying to teach a seahorse to abstain from swimming.

I still can't get my head around it that in this day and age if your teenage daughter, over the age of consent, is screwing her boyfriend you can legally ship her off to be immured in a convent so long as it calls itself a "school."

It's like something out of the dark ages.

I don't think it should be allowed.  If the kid is over the age of consent in her home state, she's over the age of consent, and that should be that.

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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2004, 11:00:00 AM »
Timoclea, I know a friend who as beaten because her mom caught her masturbating.

The problem is society itself and these held-over 'morals' from times past that need to just be gone.
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2004, 12:25:00 PM »
The problem is that some parents are abusive whackos who are good at picking out excuses for why it's a Good Thing for them to abuse their kids.

I don't believe the Al Qaeda terrorists are terrorists because they're religious fanatics.  I believe they're religious fanatics because they want to murder and torture people and religion gives them an excuse.

I don't believe the child you describe got beaten because her mom was such a good religious person.  I believe she got beaten because Mom was a brute, and being "religious" gave her the opportunity to be brutal and over-controlling.

It's a little like the anti-pornography crusaders who of course have to spend a lot of time looking at all this absolutely horrendous pornography, all out of the best of motives I'm sure.  

Yeah, I'm sure.

What we need to do is quit letting people make excuses of any kind for brutalizing others.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2004, 07:26:00 PM »
Another diary of disappointment. Interesting how so many program parents have the same story. Divorced, remarried, gotta get the kid out of the house to save the marriage.... the thing programs seem to be most successful at.
From Hyde to Aspen to ASR...and still not 'fixed'.
If you get bored with the redundant details of the story, scroll down to see the final outcome, 4 years after the fact.

8 Nov 2000
My son just finished at Aspen Wilderness program, and I'd be happy to answer questions or join in discussions about it. I think threads about particular places might make things a little easier around here.
He had a good experience overall, and I was really happy with his therapist, and several other aspects of the program. Our graduation was really tough, however, since we parents were OUT OF SHAPE & UNPREPARED FOR A SNOWSTORM at 8,000+ ft. ALTITUDE & ONLY TARPS FOR SHELTER...MORE UNDERSTANDING & BETTER COMMUNICATION FROM SOME OF THE STAFF WOULD HAVE MADE IT A MORE PRODUCTIVE TIME, AS FOR MOST OF US BATTLING THE ELEMENTS INTERFERED WITH OUR ABILITY TO FOCUS ON THE EMOTIONAL WORK WE WANTED AND NEEDED TO DO. I certainly was disabused of any lingering romantic notions of my child camping out in the beautiful wilds....
[Gee, did she ever stop to think about how the kids do any 'emotional work' in subzero temps? As I have said, the parent needs to be right along side the kid throughout the program!!]

8 Nov I think it's a good idea to have threads for specific places. My son's just entered Swift River & I'd be interested to hear from other ASR parents or alumni.
A question for us is where will our son go afterwards - he'll get out in March of 2002 and will be 16 then.

12 Nov
Last June we enrolled him at Hyde School in CT, but after their 1 month summer program for new kids they told us he should do a wilderness program before returning to Hyde in the fall. I had TWO DAYS to decide!!! (This is because they don't reccommend bringing your child home between programs).
I chose Aspen, and my schedule, based a lot of my decision on the voices over the phone. They sounded compassionate, intelligent & sensible. I still would go with that assessmant.
During his second month at Aspen his therapist reccommended that we look into a TBS instead of Hyde, which he felt wasn't structured enough for my son. Also, my son said he knew he could obtain drugs there and wasn't yet real firm in his desire for sobriety, though he did make a lot of progress in that direction at Aspen. Hyde agreed that an interim placement was a good idea. SO once again I scrambled, and chose Academy at Swift River. It was the only reccommended school close enough for me to visit.....but also I again had a good impression from phone contacts, and heard several people here speak well of the school. Also, it's owned by Aspen so the transition would be easier.
I have my life back now. My husband has his life back now. My son is beginning to make changes he needs to make. I hope we will be together as a family again, but his very life depends on a process of change that I could not have jump started and carried through to completion my self. I'm very grateful to these programs and all their dedicated staff.

15 Nov Son went to Hyde summer program, sent to Aspen Wilderness, now at Swift River. We won't see him again til next March.
Even so, we will have a lot to be thankful for this Thanksgving: a new beginning for all of us, wonderful professionals who are working with our son, and frankly, peace and quiet at home. Things you and your family deserve too.

20 Nov
We drove home & he had one day only - at 6AM the next day I took him to the airport & put him on a plane by himself. (Incidently, on the one day home he seemed to be acting fine, wasn't difficult, but later I found out he stole $400.00 from my ch. acct. & bought pot, some of which was stashed in a trophy in his room.)

24 Nov
My son stayed at Aspen Ranch for a month recently, but his wasn't at all at typical stay. He was enrolled for AAA (wilderness program) but their Dr. found hernia & he had to have surgery on it before he could begin the program. We decided to have the surgery done out there and he was allowed to reuperate at the ranch. He was terribly bored, but he wasn't really involved and couldn't fully participate. When I visited I had a somewhat negative impression in that the staff seemed disorganized & communications weren't smooth. I believe they were experiencing a staff turnover at the time (August), but the previous poster can tell you about that.

26 Nov
My son has been away since early July in a series of programs (was home 1 day & I did see him 3 times) and now he's at ASR, where, because of the time he entered, he won't have a visit from us til March, and months after that before he comes home. It seems so weird and unfair now - I can't talk to him either, and he hasn't written. I think it goes too far, this restrictiveness.

7 Dec
Hard as it undoubtedly is right now, be glad you have this place, at least! My son was also dx ADHD & has been on Adderall a long time.

26 Dec
Now my son's at Academy at Swift River, a tbs. He's doing very well, and already, AFTER ABOUT 5 MONTHE OF PROGRAMS HE'S ON THE ROAD TO A REAL TURN AROUND.

17 Jan 2001
Somehow her expressions while she was going down into a drug/sex situation reminded me of myself many years ago. I didn't use drugs other than the occaissional joint, but I recognized the need to totally lose oneself into a destructive activity in order to keep pain at bay. That adolescent angst, the emptiness, and the rush to fill that void with some intense experience. Very dangerous.
There are her parents, sitting there amidst all the other addicts, and her father's saying that he's "here to listen and learn", as I remember.
What's the use unless Dad & Mom are ready to set their agendas aside and listen?

26 Feb
My son had a mysterious kidney ailment at ASR; they think it was something called iGa nephropathy, and luckily it just resolved itself. The nurses were great, and I even got to go see him for a day.

17 Mar
I wonder if anyone can help me understand my sons abandonment feelings.
His therapist told me he felt his father had abandoned him at age 4, when we divorced. I was the one who initiated the divorce; my son knows that, and his father did try hard in the beginning to keep their relationship going. Over time (son is 15 now) it faltered, on both sides.
I remarried (right away) and my husband (whose parents actually did physically abandon him at age 3) has had a very tough time getting along with my son - and vice versa.
Incidently, no attachment issues that I've noticed. Dx ADHD in 3rd grade and ODD more recently. Is said to have "boundary issues" as well, e.g. he gets too intimate too quickly with girls.

27 July
I spoke briefly to an admissions person at Oakwood Friends, which seems like a wonderful school. But he said in no uncertain terms that they "WOULD NEED TO SEE A FULL YEAR OF SUCCESS AT A DIFFERENT 'MAINSTREAM' BOARDING SCHOOL" BEFORE THEY WOULD CONSIDER ANYONE FROM A TBS. ANother place in this area that's a great school is Millbrook, BUT THEY TOO WANT TO SEE SUCCESS ELSWHERE FIRST. On top of all this, my son's talking about wanting to be home rather than at a boarding school. I can understand his desire for a more normal existence - he's been in one program or another for over a year - but oh boy, the thought of his going to the local High School is scary!

13 Aug
Oh, I wish this was simpler! ASR SAYS HE WOULD BE BETTER OFF NOT LIVING AT HOME AND GOING TO THE LOCAL SCHOOL, but it's so incredibly expensive. We're doing this on an inheritence that has to stretch well beyond his education.

My husband and son have had a terribly hard time getting along, and for a good 4 years at least we had not a peaceful moment as a family. I don't know how we stayed together....so we didn't get around to many deep conversations, and still need to do more there.
ALso, MAKE GOOD USE OF THIS TIME FOR YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. If there are siblings, they can get more attention now. IF YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR HUSBAND GOT OFF TRACK FROM ALL THE STRESS (MINE ALMOST ENDED), YOU CAN PAY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THAT, FINALLY. AND YOU CAN STEP BACK AND GIVE YOURSELF SOME ENERGY. MY HUSBAND & I HAVE SEEN OUR MARRIAGE HUGELY IMPROVED, and I've been able to devote time to therapy myself (like not going in to a session only to talk about my son, for instance).
[So, is this what programs are most successful at? Saving marriages?]

10 Nov
Many of us (and I too had a 15 yr old who was stealing $$ from me for pot, even though he sold it as well, and failed 9th grade, and was horribly, sometimes violently oppositional at home) - many of us have found that in order to clear the decks we needed to get our child out of the house for a time. This radical change of environment, be it Wilderness, TBS, RTC, etc., provides a wake up call for the kids and a respite for parents so that all concerned can begin anew.

17 Nov
I don't know what your son's history is - whether he's made that threat before (suicide), whether he's depressed or very manipulative, etc - but he is in good hands. I hope things get better real soon. Wish I could give you a hug ?

31 Dec
I guess the subject says it all....my son, who's at TBS and will finish March 1st, was home for a week at Christmas. It was for the most part peaceful, and his progress has been very good at school. However, there were things that bothered me when he was here - mostly the way he ignored my entreaties to get work done on his private school applications. This was like old times (though without the drama). And also how he promised he'd do all the yard work, but only did a little: old times again.
Then after he'd been gone I saw on our computer that he'd been looking at pornography. It seemed that he'd deleted the history for those days so I wouldn't see it there, but I saw it another way. He had looked at pornographic sites in the past, and I'd made a big deal out of it. We've also had a number of serious discussions about how important I think it is that he respect women and girls, and not misuse sex. (He's 16). I feel very strongly about this, and I suspect there's a subtle connection between his interest in porn and his continuing lack of respect for me. That's something for a psychologist to figure out, I suppose. (BTW, he claims he doesn't need a therapist when he comes home; he's learned to talk about his feelings to friends).
What I'm interested in here is what the rest of you, who I respect quite a bit, think of my reaction. I will be talking to his counselor about this tomorrow and will get his input, but what do other parents in this forum think? Anyone else have a boy who did this habitually? BTW, it seems to be mainly garden variety stuff, at least not particularly violent.
I wrote a letter to my son & mailed it yesterday; it was pretty angry. I said that I was very disappointed & that I wasn't sure if I wanted him living here if he continued. But he's underage & i doubt I'd really follow through with that. Many people might see this as pretty minor. I'm very liberal - but I'm passionate about the dehumanization that I think sets in when one's exposed to too much of this kind of stuff. It makes me very uncomfortable, a reaction perhaps heightened by the fact that I was raped when young.
I'm also worried about how we'll keep to the contract we've been working on. I guess we'll have to have consequences very clearly spelled out.
Any ideas?

16 Jan 2002
My son will finish TBS at the end of next month, and when he was home over the holiday we realized quite clearly that his being home for 6 months (before he goes back to school in Sept) isn't going to work. It's like I was believing in a fairy tale almost, I was so caught up in the positive changes he was making. NOw I see that even if he had a full time job, it wouldn't work. He needs a full schedule, a structure he can't deviate from, he needs to be surrounded by strong authority figures, still.

20 Oct 2004
I haven't posted in several years(I think) but I do see some familiar names here. My 19-yr-old son went to a TBS following Utah wilderness. I was very happy with both programs and when he came home in March 2002 he was much happier, much more cooperative. He managed to graduate HS, then went to Costa Rica/Panama for 3 mos on his own. He was supposed to pay for that but ran out of cash and racked up a lot of bills on my credit card. Once home, he got a job at Radio Shack, which he liked, and kept it for almost a year. He was drinking and smoking MJ though. His room was full of liquor bottles - whenever I saw any I oculd pour out, I did. He has addiction problems but of ocurse he doesn't think so. I kept hoping things would work out, and he was giving me his paycheck evry wk. to cover his car payments, his share of the auto insurance, and his own bills. If anything was left it was supposed to go to his debt to me. I guess on the side he was selling small amounts of MJ to have pocket money. Anyway, within 6 weeks, starting on Labor Day, he was arrested for possession of MJ/smoking in public, he was arrested for DUI/DWI/speeding (with a high BAC), and caught stealing from the store and fired for that. He has no previous record but has been in trouble with police before. These are serious charges, but he knows he'll get them knocked down because this guy can get out of anything. He got his own lawyers and paid the first (for possession in another county) himself, but the second (DWI close to home) will be way beyond his means, particularly since he just lost his job. Sorry this is so long!! Part of me (and my therapist) says I should seriously consider telling him to live somewhere else. He does not pay rent. But it's just SO hard to consider that. That's why I came back here. Thanks for your comments and help -

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« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2004, 01:25:00 PM »
My 17 year old granddaughter just returned from a 7 1/2 week wilderness program for addiction 2 weeks ago. Although she is on a tight tether (without her car but with her cell phone) I saw her yesterday at a house next door where an old druggie girl friend lives. It was highschool lunchtime and no adult present.
In July at 2AM she was in this same home where there was a mixed party with no parents. (I heard her voice, saw her face under the street light and saw her car) I told my daughter about the party-- who asked my granddaughter if she was at this party. The granddaughter said 'no' , my daughter believed her and basically blew me off. My other daughter spoke to the father of this granddaughter a year ago about her bad reputation at school (wanting to alert him so he could stop this distruction in progress) She left in tears and was chastized for this information. Here is my problem:
Do I tell my daughter about this lunchtime escapade and risk narc-ing on my granddaughter who certainly would know where the source came from with me living next door? Should I risk my daughter blowing me off under the pretense that her daughter has to make her own decisions now . Or would the Utah counselors be seriously concerned about her hooking up with her undesireable friends 2 weeks after arriving home? I am in a lose/lose situation. If I don't tell anyone and we find this young girl,whom I love deeply, in serious addiction trouble AGAIN--would it be my fault for not telling.? Who do I tell. what do I say? thanks so much for any input.:

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« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2004, 01:28:00 PM »
Sad to say, but I found some stolen laptops in our basement. I have reason to believe that my son purchased them from a friend who stole them. Anyone been in this situation. My son is no longer a minor and we have every intention to return them to the owner, just not sure how to go about it. We realize that we may be turning our son in, but I don't see any other way around this. Our son has been home for over a year since his years at a WILDERNESS PROGRAM, a TREATMENT CENTER, & an EMOTIONAL GROWTH SCHOOL. Any advice would be aprreciated. Thanks
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« Reply #29 on: October 28, 2004, 02:12:00 PM »
Put an add in the papper under Found items?

Try that, and see if people call and claim them.

That way you can get them back to the rightful owners and not get your son charged.

Of corse, you may have to tell a lie or two as to where and how you found them. . .
But maybe not. Just say you found them and don't want to discolse to much about the circumstances. People should be able to prove ownership with registration numbers - or with whats on the thing.

My son got beat up and robbed of a gold chain and cross last news year eve.
I ran a "lost" add and the perp did call, twice, and told me he'd return it, but never showed. I expect he was afraid of the cops, but at least I had the satisfaction of knowing his conscience was pricked.

Failing this, or maybe this would be better - take them to the cops and tell them you found them. You don't have to say it was in your house. They might be suspicious and your boy had best be very careful, but I don't see how they could charge anyone this way.
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