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Does anybody remember two brothers, Ray and Bob Kienzle
« on: August 18, 2002, 08:29:00 PM »
Does anybody remember, or did anybody know, two brothers, Ray and Bob Kienzle, from the Lauderdale Seed in the 70s.
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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2003, 08:06:00 AM »
There was a Bob Kienzlestarted in the St. Pete branch in about 74/75, originally from Tampa.
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Does anybody remember two brothers, Ray and Bob Kienzle
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2003, 02:54:00 PM »
Could it possibly be Kinzie? Cause I went to school with some Kinzies. And my mom was always encouraging us to be chummy with them. I know they had a couple of older brothers, but I didn't know anything about them being Seedlings.

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« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2003, 10:02:00 PM »
I think Bob Kienzle married a real bitch staffer named Libby.  The real Kienzle's were real a-holes.
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2004, 03:30:00 PM »
I believe Ray passed away over a year ago & Bob is as much of an ass as ever
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2004, 04:16:00 PM »
Yes, Ray did die over a year ago and from what I understand from heresay His brother did not attend his funeral. And yes, his brother did marry Libby, the infamous Libby McDonald/Barker/Kienzle.



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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2006, 12:03:00 PM »
Why was Libby macdonald/barker/kienzle infamous?
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2006, 07:45:00 PM »
Well, look up the definition of infamous.  In this context, a seed discussion forum, she certainly fits the bill.
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« Reply #8 on: July 06, 2006, 09:44:00 AM »
Why does she "fit the bill?"
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« Reply #9 on: July 06, 2006, 09:54:00 AM »
What is your obsession with Libby?  Why don't you call her?

You seem hell bent on getting someone to say something bad about Libby.  I haven't spoken to the woman for 30 years. When I was a child, I didn't like her.  I am no longer a child.  I actually hope she is doing well now that she is away from the weirdness of the seed.

Good enough for you?
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« Reply #10 on: July 06, 2006, 06:13:00 PM »
Good enough for you.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2006, 06:52:00 PM »
Libby is a    :edit for personal attack:


Lets try to keep our comments flame free please.  [ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2006-07-07 09:27 ]
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« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2006, 11:29:00 AM »
Why do you write that? As anyone can read on this site, Libby is nicely remembered by some. It seems that she was "adopted" by Art and Shelley. She wasn't a mental health professional, but she was "senior staff" when she was in her early twenties. Eudora wrote on 2006 -07-03 that Lybbi never left the program. Eudora also wrote "Last I heard she's given over warping the minds of young humans in favor of ...less intelligent...dogs." On another post under "Art Barker and the Beginning of The Seed" "Lybbi is ...still controlling the behavior of trapped, spiritual beings"
Also, there was some mystery about a"Final Split". Greg FL wrote "I think if we could pick
 Libby's mind now she would be regretful of what she did." Others on this site have called Lybbi a "A bitch. Pure and Simple." posted under Who Was Afraid of Lybbi". So, what exactly was it that was so bad about her? And why do you call her the name you did?
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« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2006, 12:27:00 PM »
Again, what is your obession with Libbi?

Libbi was in a position of extreme control over children.  Many feel the control was abusive and coersive.  They have a right to express their opinion as do those that have posted support for her actions as senior staff.

Libbi today could be the nicest person in the world. She could also still possess the qualities of a lifer seedling.  I don't know and I really  don't think about it.  However, What she did 30 years ago is a subject and an interest of this forum.

I certainly think she may regret some of her actions from back then.  I know I do.
Maybe she feels that she always acted in a proper manner.  Until she comes here and posts herself, we may never know.
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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2006, 12:51:00 PM »
1.)  She was never adopted.

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when she became a US citizen she changed her name to Barker.  plain and simple.  she was probably arguing with her parents at the time.
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