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Son Of Serbia:
O2, Right now your mother is scrambling to find answers that she doesn't have.  She's stalling because she has no fucking clue at this point, how to answer Shanlea's specific questions about the program.

  And yes O2, I truly believe that you are a young, naive, BRAIN DEAD, little girl with no life.  :wave:  

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Anonymous:
Dear Prince Serb, read Antigen's post on the Chuck thread---it explains exactly why we should be more civilly disobedient when it comes to the naysayers.

As for O2, she's a kid who did not go through the program and saw her outlaw brother come out smelling like roses. I went through the program and I still resisted viewing CEDU as the unethical, abusive cult that it is.  How could I be smart enough to hightail it outta there and still in denial I'll never know. But brain dead is a harsh description for O2, though entirely apt for some of the staff and students after their brainwashing.  

I will say it would be fun if her brother showed up on this forum because we know that he knows that we know that he knows what the program was all about even if he chooses to think of it positively. After all, he is not deadinsaneondrugsorinjail.........yet.  Hopefully never.  

And who knows? For the life of me I can't figure out why some people insisted that it saved them but maybe they never descended to the same space they were in before CEDU after graduating.  Maybe to them, the ends did justify the means.

Antigen:
Or maybe http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... miamithem' target='_new'>H. G. Wells
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Oppositional Defiance:
Yup... if ottowa's son ever actually saw this website he would probably experience some of the catharsis that I and most all others felt when they were finally allowed to grieve for what was done to them. I don't think Ottowa wants her son even to look at this site, and if her son actually does, he's probably dealing with some mixed up emotional bullshit right now... there's going to be pandemonium in the Ottowa family, I said it first, I said it right here. Karma is not about a cosmic punishment/reward system. That's a westernized caricature of the real thing. Essentially, karma is the life which grows out of your past. Bad seed, bad karma, stormy weather ahead. That's your free psychic reading by a High Magician who's as real as they come, when he's not preoccupied raving like a madman.

Antigen:

--- Quote ---On 2004-09-03 15:47:00, Oppositional Defiance wrote:

That's a westernized caricature of the real thing. Essentially, karma is the life which grows out of your past. Bad seed, bad karma, stormy weather ahead. That's your free psychic reading by a High Magician who's as real as they come, when he's not preoccupied raving like a madman.

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LOL! Yeah, I think it's undeniable. We reap what we sow, or someone else does and then they get even.

I don't know these people, except by way of this forum. And I just don't like to meddle. Both O5 and O2 have chosen to come join this discussion. The son/brother has not.

Now let me show you a little of how dark my heart is and how dark it's not. If things had gone along in Straight, Inc. the way I'd come to expect, my plan was to go along, maybe having to do a stint as staff trainee (it was an offer you couldn't refuse) and then, either upon graduation or coming of age, to book and never darken the doorway again. It was a good plan, I think. It's essentially what all my older brothers and sister had done and it seemed to work out more or less OK for them. I only split because things got more bizarre, beyond the pale. I could no longer believe that we'd all get out one way or another and just shake it off. It became obvious that we were doing permanent harm to some kids and I could neither fight it nor be a part of it.

But if that hadn't happened? I probably would have taken the "free" ride through college (out of town college... waaaaayyyy out of town!) and who knows what might have happened next?

As it was, the best advice I ever got was to just not think about it so much, move on and get my bearing, maybe tackle it later.

Point is, it was a difficult and fragile issue w/ me w/ my tenuous grasp on sanity swinging and twisting in the balance. I wouldn't try to make that decision for someone else. If the dude has no interest in these forums, then he has no interest. He's welcome, of course. But ... no more pressure.


The greater the ignorance the greater the dogmatism.


--William Osler
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