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ottawa5:
Antigen-have you seen the place? It is rather isolated. Whereas at home he could defy us by sneaking out a window, running away from school or undermining discipline in a variety of creative ways, it was a little disconcerting for a city boy to suddenly find himself in an isolated forest area and without any drugs to prop up his confidence either.
So, the way he's explained it to me, the setting got his attention, made him slow down a little at least in the short term. And in the process of thinking about what to do to get out of this without causing himself any more trouble than he had, over the first months, he did nothing but do the bare minimum. He never told me about any abusive raps, although he said that some of the older kids asked him when he was going to start contributing. According to his account, he told them, in a rather surly way I'm sure that he would never contribute, that the school was nothing to him. This went on for months.
I think that it was through friendships and connection with certain staff memebers, as well as being in a place where he could slow down and think, something that he couldn't do at home because he was always going, that he eventually considered the possibility of change and came to see why he had been acting destructively.
That didn't happen for more than a year, I remember hearing in his voice on the phone after one of the Propheets, when he came to realize that it didn't have to be the way that it had been.
Antigen:
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an isolated forest area
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And do you think you could get away w/ isolating your child like that w/o the fascade of professionalism bestowed by the calling it a TBS?
"The Program" and two years will get you a vastly improved kid in *EXACTLY* the same way that "The Program" and four bucks will get you a cup of espresso at Starbucks.
Timoclea
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Antigen:
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I think that it was through friendships and connection with certain staff memebers,
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Under those conditions, this is what your shrink collegues might call Stokholm Syndrome.
When a man you like switches from what he said a year ago, or four years ago, he is a broad-minded person who has courage enough to change his mind with changing conditions. When a man you don't like does it, he is a liar who has broken his promise.
-- FRANKLIN P.ADAMS (1861-1960).
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-09-07 14:16:00, ottawa5 wrote:
It's your whole world view, some kind of a cartoonish, 60's hippie renaissance, it seems to have a lot of naivity to it and most especially to glorify and justify drug use.
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Ever watch the commercials during 60 Minutes? I'm not the one advocating drug use.
He who will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not is a slave.
--Author: Sir William Drummond
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ottawa5:
Sad, really sad.
What happened with my son involved genuine, human connection with other people who went way beyond their job descriptions to offer him something better. And all you can see is "Stockholm Syndrome".
I met these people, I got to know them to some extent, they were good people who did positive things in terms of using their time, their energy and their own life experiences to help him, as well as others, in overcoming. personal challenges. They helped him, and others, to be better.
Shame on you for not being able to consider that these good, worthwhile people did helpful, kind things that helped him be where he is today.
Try believing in goodness once in a while,why don't you, Antigen (as opposed to, say, believing in drugs, prescribed or, as you seem to prefer, not) Try it, at least when the evidence, as in this case, is that it was really goodness ,and that it lead to something much better for him than what he, or we, had before.
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