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Oppositional Defiance:
Well, ottowa, all I can say to that and to you is I hope someday you can experience fully the kindness yourself which was the kindness of your son being given to CEDU.

Bye

Anonymous:
To Shanlea
about the straight "A" students who were using drugs.  Im not sure I like your assumptions about drug use  i.e. that it's morally wrong or destructive. Drugs can be lots of fun  --- but moderation in all things, dont you think?  Have you read Alexander Shulgin's book, PIHKAL?

I think the central assumptions of all these schools  is the moralistic self righteousness that sees all drug use as abuse.  If people are using drugs such as alcohol and it isn't detrimentally affecting their lives, and they are not getting violent or destroying their liver, do you call them alcoholics? If people are smoking pot and experiencing a greater appreciation for (say) Miles Davies, do you call him a pothead?  If someone uses LSD or mushrooms to gain psychic insights do you call them druggies. The key is moderation not condemnation

shanlea:
No, don't get me me wrong, I'm not that black and white on drug use. Personally, I see a lot of people hwo benefit from some herb use, and I'd rather deal with someone on herbs than some drunk any day of the week. I personally don't smoke b/c I don't like inhaling smoke. Other drugs do freak me out a little and that is a personal bias on watching things happen that I don't want to get into right now. It's a little prejudicial but it has to do with experiences.  And sure, I'd rather not see someone abuse any drug whether alcohol, crystal meth, or prescribed.

What I meant about the straight A student was that I knew many honor students who were not good people (kiss asses and liars) and many not so good students who had character, but guess who were more highly regarded by parents and teachers? And, a straight A student on drugs is less likely to be shipped off than a mediocre student on drugs as long as the person presents a good face.  That's what I mean. I grew up in a community that values resumes over character in a big way and it always struck me as BS. I am not saying straight A students who smoke are bad people, not at all.

Antigen:
O5, I predict that you'll never be able to put together a synanon that 'works' because you don't understand how it works.

It's not only necessary to convince that kid that the bad influences were bad. How would the staff or "older"* brother/sister know, for example, if a particular old friend was a good and worthwhile friend or not? They don't. So it's necessary for the kid to reject and condemn everything about themselves prior to entry into the cult (oops! I mean school, of course!)

It's not that I think it's good or alright for a kid to do drugs, be permiscuous or to take other foolish risks. It's just that, having been there myself and compared notes w/ a lot of other people who have also been there, I recognize that the self annihilation of forced thought reform can be far more devistating than those other, voluntary adventures.

I'm w/ OD on this one. You won't 'get it' unless you get a good dose of it yourself. The only way I know of for you to get that would be to check yourself into something like Talbot Recovery near Atlanta or Phoenix House.

BTW, OD, an old friend of min put it this way.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions. The people who ran straight had the best of intentions. I hope they reached their destination."
-James Lloyd

*in reality, it's just as often a younger kid playing the role of older brother/sister. But, in the Program, all of your past sensibilities and meters must be rejected in favor of the Group paradigm.




Come the millennium,

month 12,

in the home of greatest power,

the village idiot will come forth to
be acclaimed the leader.
--Nostradamus
--- End quote ---


_________________
Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
Seed sibling `71 - `80
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
   10/80 - 10/82
Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.

Anonymous:
O5,
And what would you have done if sending your son to a program had not been an option, whether because they didn't exist or because you didn't have the financial resource?
How have parents and teens survived all these years without them? And not that I condon it, but there was nothing that the program did that you couldn't have done at home if you put your mind and attention to it.
Sounds like you blame his seedy friends. You could've kept him from them with some effort.
Now, that might be a problem, as most program parents would prefer not to have their personal lives/careers disrupted. Their personal needs and wants always come before the needs of their child.

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