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For the Guys on Moose Talk
blownawaytheidahoway:
Horse shit. If his experience is going to be used to deny my rightful need to show that in my case the experience that caused his supposedly "positive" metamorphasis indeed halted my natural growth; and this ammunition will be used to deny the claims of many here that no matter what the ends DO NOT justify the means, then I do not agree not to pressure him. Silence = Death.
And as to any claim that because I post here that I feel insecure, that I FEEL incomplete or scared and furthermore- under the general conversation heading of being under the influence of things that were both negative to my future life and detramental to my adolesense, being against my will, that I somehow needed the "program" more- to be honest (and I wouldn't have it any other way since it's my "truth" word) I would rather resent that...
To be sure, let me clarify: Shanlea, I take it to mean that you posted that because I post here what kind of things I am NOW finally noticing in my life that I am lacking...that bit of confidence that truly allows me to be self reliant or any number of the things that 450 abusive raps slammed into my head (that's NOT including all the profeets, workshops, all day random raps, or knowledge workshop or counselor conferences that I took part in) that I somehow needed the program in a way that others did not. And I am not picking at you, but you sided with Ottowa (and I don't mean sided in a way to create division in ALL of our common ranks) on this point too. And I just want to draw attention to something that I think may have slipped your mind: You also did not go through what I went through. You did not complete the brainwashing workshops and do the amount of raps that I did so...Please know that I am revisiting something that I did not know was effecting me the way it was...It ALL came tumbling down. And yeah, I went to college, I've had a little money once, and I even thought the world wasn't such a shitty place (for an admittedly short amount of time) for a while. But now I know what is wrong with why I don't have a happy life YET. YET, Jah, I pray, and that reason is a lack of control over my past. CEDU. Nothing else except the issues that THAT therein contain. so...this is the first time I have ever addressed you, and I have no idea what or who you are (except I remember, a young mother (like Kahil talks of in the one on beauty) and someone interested in changing the system with regards to troubled youth) but I want you to know how very much I disagree with the contention that the program, as it was FOR ME, could be good for anyone.
Now I think I am turning into a ranting Psycho. Sorry. I had a great quote in my brain but...it's gone. ohhhh yeahhhh:
"The friend of my enemy is my enemy". Sun Tzu
Disclaimer: Shanlea is NOT my enemy.
as usual, I am
-blownaway
blownawaytheidahoway:
I just re read the post...it was a glitch on my part. Sorry. But I guess It says what you were telling other parents so I'll let it stay as long as you promise to forget the tone from which it came at ya. I just have gotten less and less blocked in the messages to my hands posting here, it was inevitable that I would misread something...typical of me. I wonder why...
Anonymous:
Hey Idaho, I have posted a lot on the abuses of CEDU. My earlier posts, unfortunately, were anon as I was a bit paranoid, but I wanted a list of reasons for other parents to refer back to so they could think twice.
Also, I ended up getting quite pissy w/O5 as I felt --and still feel--she totally denied our experiences or treated them as isolated.
The only reason I came to the Os defense at all is because I sincerely believe that our more abusive posts are as bad or worse than some of the raps I've been in (except she has free will to leave.) I want us to be angry and passionate but I also want us to be heard. That is why I really wanted to make sure we address either her attitude or her logic but not who sucks moose cock etc. I WANT US TO BE HEARD.
I also am trying to make sense of an experience I will never ever forget and loathed. For years, I have had fantasies of what I would say to these staff members if I ever ran across them. Everyone here at this forum has vindicated what I always thought was an abusive, bizarre system, but never had anyone to talk to about it until now. And there is a strange isolation in that; I will never totally relate to my friends who have never experienced it in the same way people who went through the program and graduated will never totally relate to me.
Also, I want to understand why people are proponents of this program. I realized that Ottawa and another pro-CEDU chick of yahoo never gave specific reasons why it works. They just believe it does. She grilled us for what we did not like about the program and I returned the ball.
Part of who I am as a person is just someone who tries to understand all sides. If I were just an anti-CEDU clone, I might just tell every CEDU ite to go suck moose balls.
But I will never ever ever endorse CEDU because I think it is abusive therapy, bullshit therapy, unethical with students and families, singularly unqualified in most endeavors, and cultists. I really believe that.
I am also a mother of two small children who is doing it alone and I am terrified of any misstep I make as a parent and how it may affect them later. I have a burning need to understand things and not push it under the carpet.
I'm not a hater. To me, there is nothing worse than being consumed by bitterness. I've been there and it hurts me a hell of a lot worse than the object of it. And even though I may be dismissed as some stupid Pollyanna (who has nothing to do with moose cocks), there is more of me that relates to Bryan, Son of Serbia, or Idaho than you would imagine.
Six months of CEDU has affected me for half my life--I couldn't imagine what another 2 years would do.
shanlea:
That was me who just posted by the way.
blownawaytheidahoway:
Word.
I am happy that you didn't have to stay another two years...it ruined my life.
I'm picking away at it now, though.
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