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shanlea:
OK. Moving on from Mooses....

Many of us on the board have outlined specific reasons why we have a problem (understatement of the century) with CEDU. But none of us have heard the specific aspects of CEDU that your family endorses. What specifically did you find helpful about the program.

I already know that you find the post CEDU son/brother more fulfilled and on the right track. I want to know the SPECIFIC ways the program contributed to this. Hopefully, we can get a more constructive dialogue going and people can disagree on merit over personal attacks.

Also, this is a sincere inquiry as it has just occurred to me that I never asked. I will endeavor to think openly before replying.

ottawa5:
I would really like to speak with you more later in the week.

Right now I am in the middle of something very time-consuming, and shouldn't even be checking this site.

I was actually just seeing what my daughter who is away at the moment, might have posted--boy, I fear for the children of some of those who have responded to her, especially when these kids are old enough to disagree their parents---CEDU may look pretty good by comparison!

If you are still of such a mind later, I will reply--I think that I answered with some specifics in the past but perhaps they are on an old post or not what you are looking for.

Antigen:
Shanlea, I've asked essentially the same question of O5 before and gotten essentially the same answer. I suspect this is all the answer we'll ever get.

BTW, Jeff Shaler remarked at the Treatment Abuse conference in Bathesda in 2000 that he's asked the same question of Stepcraft practitioners many, many times and gotten similar responses.

My theory is that, in order for thought reform to be effective, the subject must be unaware of the mechanism by which it works. You simply can't carry it off w/ informed consent because understanding the process renders the process ineffectual.


Understand that legal and illegal are political, and often arbitrary,
categorizations; use and abuse are medical, or clinical, distinctions.

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blownawaytheidahoway:
Now I see how all the stuff with Otowa5&2 started. I just want to say again that my experience was not really good. Even if it MIGHT have saved me. And that phone call with mom and dad and the threats of jail until I was 18. True. My Parents being lied to about what the program delivered followed their orders just the way the cookie cutter ordered. Yes, the folks were angry with me, and were encouraged by someone who probably got kickbacks (re-education consultants)leave me with those nuts. That is unfair. Being punished for what? I had never stolen anyones shit (money, car, or soul)did tons of drugs, I hadn't done anything but run away alot. So I was punished for adolesence. Nothing more. School problems. FOlks had a baby and I had basic sibling rivalry that took arms and starting revolting early. Lot's of personal factors, of course. But to be punished for hormonal changes? Puberty?
And the raps. Described well, accurately and in detail in many postings. And to take us all out of oblivion, it's like this: People feel things differently. Some people who went to CEDU or RMA feel things a LOT more than others. Sadness, Anger, Love, and Guilt. We resent. We can't help it. When we were in our most developemental period the kind of communication we recieved was totally inappropriate. And the messages WERE hostile, out of touch, scary, mean, very wierd sometimes, and unpredictable when the fire would combust under you for NOTHING.
And as for abuse. There was physical hazings in the dorms and everywhere else that staff were not privy to or supported. Ex CEDUITES were the worse.
Yes, I've been in touch a little with some staff and ex staff and they comment that these places have already changed a lot since 1990 and that the confrontational style that was employed during my tenure at RMA is different now. Non confrontational. So OTTS listen. What I think some of us are still needing to fight against is the idea that ANYONE can like it. I've been rational a long time about it but now...I'm with the Serb (staunch enemies of Hitler and facism) and Bryan who has more definitive statements with a FIRSTHAND experience like MINE.
     OH! I loved it when I was brainwashed, and I Love the master who gave me my food and sometimes didn't beat me up hard for no reason. Fuck. It's hard to be nice to anyone who tells me what they don't know. Fuck the anons who defend CEDU ED and fuck the non anons who support CEDU too. whoops now I'm negative. I've got my summit and I DO use it, but man I wish I had a choice about the matter. I was ready after 2.5 years but a shell of the young man I could have become. I had to wait until I wasn't terrified of the world anymore.
     Then the nightmares about RMA started. The re-occuring dreams of returning there. Lies of love. Dreams of Raps and special moments that were only special becuase they stopped the current for a while. sheesh. Oh. BTW. I found a lot of the staff that I mentioned on another thread.
OUR kind who have experienced this evil, EVIL will to change us. To beat our very soul into submission and then abandon us to the problems itself created is not the way to change the world. You can't positively change the world while imprisoning children at the same time! They are incongruous.  
Ottowas, I'm glad I got involved. I'm great with kids but you shoud NEVER, NEVER think you would know what the fuck to do with a teen like I was. Sickening limp noodle. Just Believe that NOTHING there can help everyone... and the gal needs something better to do with her time. This is not for people who don't want to hear the TRUTH.

**PIXIE DUST**:
dude, they're (the O's) are just trying to cover their asses right now, and are stalling to try to come up with an excuise or answer.
A good head and good heart are always a formidable combination. But when you add to that a literate tongue or pen, then you have something very special

--Nelson Mandela
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