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Helping Kids
Anonymous:
I think the problem is miss communication. We are all told in school that we are speacil, but eventually we catch on that the teacher is saying that to everyone.
I remember hearing about a school where they had all the kid wear signs around ther necks saying "I am Special" How can anyone be special if everyone around them is also?
I think that it should be the parents telling there kids these things not the schools.
Another part of the problem is when kids do try to be unique, and are ridiculed by thier peers.
My opinon is that parents need to be more involved.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-08-27 08:38:00, shanlea wrote:
But back to what I was posting: How can we help kids who need it? Let's say someone who suffers bad self esteem and is profoundly unhappy and/or self destructive. (I'm not talking experimenting w/drugs or other teenage rebellion/activities.) Bryan? Ginger? Take a a totally hands off approach?
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Honestly? I don't know if we can pull it off, but eliminating compulsory public education would be a good start.
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of it's victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those that torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
C.S. Lewis, God In The Dock
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Deborah:
For more reasons than are obvious.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=20#59293
Scroll down to the post on Mental Health, Education and Social Control
shanlea:
To tell you the truth, Ginger, I wonder the same thing. But you know what? There is no way in hell the masses would be brave enough to do away with compulsory ed. People would wonder how to occupy and "socialize" these millions of youths out of school. I don't even know how society would sustain it. I think people are not as self sufficient or mature on a lot of levels. Also the population has increased exponentially in teh US, making opportunity more limited.
I don't know. I do know that my observations of school were a little underwhelming. I hated school (but loved learning)growing up until I went to an experimental high school taught by college teachers. Loved college courses too but its more autonomous and you can drop shit teachers.
Do you have any alternatives to comp ed?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-08-28 12:01:00, shanlea wrote:
Do you have any alternatives to comp ed?
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Yes, homeschool (or, more accurately, non-public alternative education) If you can hold your nose and get past the perception of homeschoolers as religious weirdos, you'll find that most of us really are not. The religious groups tend to get more media attention because 1) that's the perception so that's where journalists go looking for interviews and 2) because they tend to be better organized than us hippie drop outs by virtue of their foundation in church communities.
NEA estimates 1.1 million of us for the year 2002 - 2003. But they only count the registered hsers. They don't count duel enrolement, private umbrella 'schools' that offer the service of pumping paperwork and ensuring minimum compliance w/ education policies, nevermind underground homeschoolers who simply never report to the school district the fact that they have school aged children.
I'm starting to think Milton Friedman had the right idea (wouldn't be the first time, either) when he came up w/ school vouchers. For all the possibly problems w/ that plan, it would at least fuck up the current power and control structure that exists. That, imo, can not be a bad thing!
But I don't think you were asking how to kill the beast, but how to replace the beast. My simple, unbelievable and radically counterintitive answer is don't replace the beast! Before compulsory education (starting, in this country, in the mid 1800 at gunpoint in Massachusetts) more American were functionally litterate than today (per capita) Americans read more newspapers, voted more often, ran their own farms and other businesses and created their own prosperity w/ incredible success unprecidented in all of human history.
Just make sure your own kids can read, write and do basic math and that they understand completely that everything else is their responsibility. Sure, you and other kind adults will give them help, training and encouragement if they ask. But no one can teach you how to be an independent minded, competent adult. You have to teach yourself that.
It will be generally found that those who sneer habitually at human nature and affect to despise it, are among its worst and least pleasant examples
--Charles Dickens
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