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« Reply #15 on: August 13, 2004, 05:50:00 PM »
This was cut and pasted from a news article about a specific non CEDU program - but it sounded so familier, it might as well have been Boulder Creek Academy

"There are allegations of instances documented where staff are accused of having sexual contact with the kids, and other allegations where the boys were supposedly left unsupervised and were able to have sex with each other.

In another case, CPS documented that a child tried to commit suicide by downing a bottle of Ibuprofen. Then only a couple of days later he was supposedly able to get his hands on more Ibuprofen and overdosed again.

There are also findings that Woodside Trails used something called empathy therapy, where a staff member forced a boy to re-enact some sequences of a sexual attack with the boy playing the victim.

The state comptroller's office tells me that CPS investigations of these allegations were often incomplete, while other allegations were never even investigated."
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« Reply #16 on: August 13, 2004, 08:15:00 PM »
I'm an author and an activist.  Also, I just worked at a residential treatment center when I first hit this town.  And, I just quit over sexual abuse and mind control techniques which I witnessed by the staff and reported.  A few weeks later, all investigations are complete and the case is closed by:  Sheriff's Office, Child Protective Services and the State Licensor.

I'm not gonna give up . . .  As an author, I want to write about this.  The whole story, from parents who aren't around, to kids that break rules and seem to have no hope, to institutions that are only concerned about their bottom line profit.

As a researcher, I've discovered there is very little information out there on the whole subject and particularly about the schools themselves -- not many news reports, it was quite difficult just to locate the proper licensing department to look for any complaints, and state laws are vague and new (I haven't delved into Federal law yet).

So, I'm looking for good solid, verifiable information and experiences.  I've seen the posts about a teen movement to expose the whole enchilada.  I think that is a wonderful idea.

And, if any parents are reading this thread, you should drastically reconsider sending any child to one of these places, I don't care how good it looks on the front.  I'm also a parent and no stranger to problems, but never in my wildest dreams would I send my children to any residential treatment program, not for 1 month, 3 months or a year.

Please do post or email me at [email protected]

Toni
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« Reply #17 on: August 13, 2004, 10:08:00 PM »
I sure as hell wish my mother had that view back when it mattered.
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2004, 05:14:00 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2004, 05:49:00 PM »
Oops, thought I was logging in, not posting.  Why?  What was wrong with your experience?  I mean, I personally would have a problem just sending a son or daughter away for an extended stay to place or with peole that I knew nothing about.  

I was always the neighborhood mom (I say was 'cause my kid's now 22) where all of the kids hung out.  I wanted it that way so I could watch over 'em and be involved.  One kid spent so much time with our family that he stayed for 3 days at our house without his mom ever calling or him calling her.  I thought I'd just wait and see . . . So, it'd be very difficult for me to send my kid off to someone I don't even know.

I don't understand this attitude in parents.  They must be involved at least 'til age 18.  It is a lot of work, that's for sure, and it doesn't end at 5 pm.  It's day and night, whatever it takes.  It's setting morals and standards in the kids, but also walking their talk as role models.

I think in many, many instances a better situation would be where the parents and the child go to a neat vacation-type remote setting, but work on their problems together (without cell phones, X boxes, TV, you know what I mean).  At least, my heart went out to many of the kids that I worked with.  Their lives have been very sad.

Now here this, I'll say this up front.  I'm not religious at all, I am very spiritual 'cause one night in the '80s with a 4-year-old child I said a prayer that I would do whatever it took to stop the haz waste burning near our home.  

I had never been an activist, but I went to the first public meeting and I signed up to be a volunteer.  The next week, out of several hundred volunteers, the new group fighting the haz waste called and asked me to be on their board of directors.  I remembered my pray, thought, 'geez, I did say the prayer.' and accepted the work.  We won.  We also exposed a huge facility almost completed outside of Phx, illegal state bids, and the 3 top state enviro people were fired.  

So, now, I've been fighting for lots of social 'causes, and whenever I get stuck--need an expert, attorney, whatever--I just pray and it arrives!  No kidding!  I've learned to keep praying for whatever I need, and it comes.  Sometimes what I need is not really what I thought at all, however.

Anyway, along those lines, I think we all came here (offered ourselves up, so to speak) at this very crappy time in history to do a particular job, a job that only we can do.  It's up to us to find out what our particular job is (listen to your heart for this, what makes you feel good and what makes you feel bad).  Sometimes we have to build experiences first to be able to do our particular job.  We have to make a strong foundation on which to build our dream.  Our dream is always related to what we really, really, really love to do.

But this is all just background history about me.  What I'm interested in doing right now is exposing a virtually unknown mega industry, where parents rely on state laws and licensing to protect their children, and where children are basically held hostage and exposed to illegal treatment by untrained staff without so much as a right to tell anyone about the offenses.

I know some from my own work experiences there, but I didn't stay for very long.  I'm sure many of you have similar stories, worse ones or not so bad of ones.  I need to hear from you what you would change in the system, and what was the need in your life that put you in one of these places in the first place.

And, most of all, I need honesty.  I absolutely hate lies.  There is never any good reason for a lie.  

Anyone know anything about the national movement to take some action?

Toni

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« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2004, 09:15:00 PM »
One very simple, very true fact stands that should really bring serious criticism on CEDU. CEDU was founded as "Charles E. Dederich University". Dederich was the founder of Synanon which was closed down and has a world of scandal surrounding it. If someone could just publicize this fact alone, it would help in stopping CEDU.
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« Reply #21 on: August 15, 2004, 12:47:00 AM »
Ok, what documentation have we got to back this? Someone mentioned the Synanon site, if I remember. Is there a wittness or two who would coroborate? Anything in print from back then? That would be gold!

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« Reply #22 on: August 15, 2004, 01:18:00 AM »
Try Diane Drake who runs therapsheet yahoo group. You have a link to that group on this site. She went through CEDU in the '70s and knows quite a bit.
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« Reply #23 on: August 17, 2004, 03:10:00 PM »
This is just some rambling thought that came accross a list I'm on from the very engaging and witty Robert Merkin Me Gusta Tu by Manu Chao, who is apparently a big hit in Europe right now.


Dearest friends, amigos, amigas, amiguitas, amies et amants,

It's moi, Euro-Backpack-Elmer again, with just a footnote to my silly Me Gusta Marijuana song by Manu Chao.

I knew bupkis, nada, zilch about Manu Chao when this little Argentine grrlie sent this metric shitload of a file (1 metric shitload = 0.897 English shitload). I'd heard it once before, maybe in the Caribbean. For all I knew, he might have been singing in Turkish. But I got the drift. And the whole song, every line, had instantly tickled something very deep in my soul. If listening to Me Gustas Tu were a drug, Larry could have charged me $20 a dose, and I'd have been very careful not to lose Larry's number.

In fact if I click on Me Gustas Tu one more time, my wife is going to divorce me, or stab me with a knitting needle.

Even just the lyrics, without the noise, has people e-mailing me for the mp3. My brother, who once, very briefly, wore a beret and was Wannabe Euro, sent me from memory, from 45 years ago, the lyrics to the Pop Song that blared that summer through every speaker in France.

The right song, the right rhythm, the right lyric, seem to be Brain Peanut Butter or Superglue of incredible strength and duration.

When I am not watching Jerry Springer in my torn undershorts and unmatched socks, I spend a huge amount of my time and energy trying to Persuade People. In fact, I am on a Mission From God to persuade all the governments of the world to let most of their prisoners out of jail immediately, and to cease all war and state violence within four months, and forever. When I have achieved these goals, I will get around to Reforming the Current Collapsed Æsthetic State of All Music, Art and Literature. Then I will take a short vacation.

This Bunch is also heavy-duty into equally ambitious Persuasion. Preston, Libby my Blog Neighbor, and Erin, the Mom Who Made Maryland Legalize Medical Marijuana, are just some of this bunch who kick ass in the Persuasion Arts.

A formerly active drugwar star, Andria E-M, lives in London and has a modest ambition: To persuade all the governments of Europe and the World to stop criminalizing and jailing needle-drug users and addicts, and to grant them all Human Rights, a voice in government drug policy, and even observer status at international drug treaty summits.

Don't laugh. She's winning. When prohibitionist governments lock her out of these summits, the world media surrounds her, interviews her, and her reform efforts get all the Euro-headlines. Her reform quotes for the camera are more colorful and interesting to the BBC producer than the UN Anti-Narcotics Commissioner's quotes, so Andria's on the BBC that night, and the Commissioner, with his million-Euro media blitz budget, isn't.

Yes, it's always seemed that Persuasion is an Art. But it's also become a Science. And the Science is called Meme Theory.

A Meme is just a fancy technical word for an Idea.

But in Meme Theory, we ignore the idea itself, and concentrate entirely on how some Great Ideas immediately are ignored and forgotten, while many Really Bad Ideas catch on with big crowds like wildfire, and take over the politics and history of entire nations or continents or generations.

A good example of a Really Bad but Highly Successful Meme is Hitler and the Nazi Agenda. When this Meme was born during the 1920s, with a couple of lonely, weird cranks screaming hatred and loony ideas on streetcorners, there were lots of competing Memes in Germany and Europe which I personally think were a lot better than conquest, genocide and totalitarianism. But Nazism quickly won the battle for the minds of the German people, and all over Europe, all the other competing ideas were extinguished for fifteen years.

Meme Theory looks at ideas as if they were little living organic critters, like bugs or ants, or Viruses ...

"Language is a virus." -- Laurie Anderson

... and, like the boll weevil they sing about down South, they're just a-lookin' for a home.

Every Meme is born in somebody's brain. Somebody thinks it, and then thinks, "Wow, this is a Great Idea! I want to share it! I want everybody on Earth to believe it!"

So the lonely baby Meme travels from the brain to the Thinker's Mouth or Fingers. And from there, via TV, radio, newspapers, the Internet, and gossiping in diners and grocery stores, and arguing in bars, the Meme tries to leap into the ears and the eyes which are the Input Devices of Other Peoples' Brains.

Will the newborn baby Meme find homes in new brains? Or will the new brains spit the new Meme out again, and the Meme won't find new homes in new human brains?

The Virus is the best analogy. Never mind what's in the center of a virus, never mind what disease it represents. If a virus can't leap from one human to another, and find a new home, and make more virus babies, it's going to Dead End and vanish from the Biosphere. Viruses can kill or cripple people, but they have to be very careful not to kill you too quickly -- before you have a chance to fuck or share a needle with someone. Only in Hollywood movies are there diseases which kill you in ten seconds, so you can't make it to Ted's party tonight.

There's a lot of mathematics that describe the way a disease or plague spreads through a human population. Exactly the same equations describe and predict how a Very Interesting Rumor spreads through a human population. "Did you hear what happened to the Governor of New Jersey?" bears a startling mathematical resemblence to smallpox or the Bubonic Plague or influenza.

Meme Theory looks instead at the ways, the Package, the sticky Protein Jacket, the hooks, the rewards, the little tricks, the candy-coated shell, helps a Meme leap from one human brain to the other.

The son of friends of mine spent three years as a Solid True Believer of a Nasty Cult. He was smart enough to be accepted at Harvard, there was seemingly nothing damaged or wrong with his brain. So there he is on his first week at Harvard, far from home, lonely, friendless, disoriented. Also, he is a Straight-A Honor Student Nerd, and has absolutely no social or romantic skills, he has never dated or had a gf or bf, he has been much too busy getting into Harvard. It's Saturday, and he has a 100 percent certainty that he will spend tonight alone in a tiny dark room.

He is standing on a Cambridge sidewalk feeling sorry for himself, when suddenly a gorgeous 18-year-old girl, with freckles, and a Friendly Smile that spans an ocean, walks directly up to the lonely Harvard freshman, and says: "Hi! Want to come to a party tonight?"

He went to the party, you bet. He never got bare wrist from Freckles, but he spent the next three years in the Cult, driving his parents insane.

That Cult Meme came wrapped in a protein jacket of Cute, Adorable, Gorgeous, Friendly Freckles. And also had Radar for Lonely Nerds. It also came wrapped in a protein jacket of How I Can Drive My Parents Crazy and Give Me Power Over Them.

And it's a wildly successful Meme, with millions of humans who've let it into their brains and given it a home -- and passed it along, all over the world.

Cooties live in the Biosphere. Memes live in the Ideosphere.

Here's a great Protein Jacket:

Give this new idea a permanent home in your brain -- or else you will burn in the fires of Hell for all eternity.

A twin component of the Protein Jacket: If you give this new idea a home, you will Live Forever in Heaven, and be Young and Pretty and Healthy and Pain-Free again, and Happy Forever. Everything you want will be yours for free.

It often helps a Meme to expose it to new brains when the brains are four or five or six years old. And to tell the kids that they are Good if they like the Meme, and Bad if they don't give the Meme a comfy and permanent home in their little brains.

Notice I haven't even mentioned what the actual Idea is. You probably can guess. The Idea might even already have a permanent home in your brain. Maybe you've spread it to others. (Or just driven your kid to Sunday School and picked him or her up again three hours later.)

Open an Almanac to Religions of the World. Go down the list, from the religions that have billions of members, to the religions that have less than a million. Then consider their particular Protein Jackets. What do they promise if you give them a Brain Home? Which Religions are growing? Which are shrinking? Then find a list of Dead Religions. Once they had millions of followers, their churches or temples were all over Eurasia, like Manicheanism. Now you can only find them in old dusty library books. What was wrong with their Protein Jackets? What was better about the Protein Jackets on the new religions, with their 100 screwy followers, that eventually replaced them?

For the moment, forget about legalizing or decriminalizing cannabis, ibogaine, heroin, cocaine and LSD. De-focus on the Goals.

Focus on the Protein Jacket. Focus on the pretty young smiling girl on the sidewalk, on la musica de Manu Chao, on the Phish Farewell Concert, on the Vans Warped Tour, on Lilith Faire. Focus on the Terror of Not Giving Our Meme a Home in Your Brain. Focus on the Eternal Rewards of Giving Our Meme a Home in Your Brain.

Focus on Sunday School -- Drug Legalization and Decriminalization Memes, in cartoon form, for six-year-olds. Don't give them drugs. But give them Happy Drug Decrim Memes every Saturday morning, that they can sing about with their friends.

All or most of the above is shamelessly filched from the best Intro to Meme Theory I ever read, a long section in Douglas Hofstadter's book, "Metamagical Themas." Hofstadter is most famous for his book, "Godel, Escher, Bach" (Pulitzer Prize for non-fiction). Anyway, everybody go read all about Memes in "Metamagical Themas."

As I said, Persuasion is a Science Now, not just an Art, and maybe we should think about mastering this Science. Maybe we're just a few hundred weirdos screaming on sidewalks now. Maybe we're as loopy and screwy and as universally ignored and ridiculed and persecuted as Paul, Peter, Matthew, Luke, Mark and John were. It's hopeless, right?

Elmer the Mad Scientist (in the UK: Boffin)

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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2004, 01:06:00 AM »
Yes, there's lots of info out there, and I've been reading up.  Thanks for the history and connections!
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