Springfied VA late 85, Stoughton MA 86

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hi brent, do you know how jason got out? did he get pulled? i saw a dedicated misbehaver girl at an AA meeting once... probably she was court-ordered though.

hey check your pm's, there is likely stuff happening in VA this spring and summer. mr matt git yourself a userid so people can pm you.

[infanalyst]

Hi Fka,

Jason I believe was pulled out. I know he wasn't court-ordered. Although, he might have left and then was terminated after being gone long enough. Check your PM, we can talk more there since we are off the topic here.


Aloha!

[Anonymous]

Ok I got my ID, Hey I remember you Brent.  You were tall brown hair right?

I remember when Jason punched someone in the face and blood was everywhere, then staffer Steve T. made the group drag Jason through the blood on the floor toclean it up.

Pretty sick don't you think.

[Mr. Matt]

Matt Cremen

[Anonymous]

what fucking nightmares could you possibly have? you were,of course only a specially "groomed for staff" super straightling,right? i know you had a great deal to do with what happened to me up there when i was on staff for a very short time!the only nightmares an asshole like you could have are from the guilt of ruining so many ppls lives.....please don't fucking gloat on this site about your fucking great program damon.....its all bullshit....i went up there 5 years or more sober and 3 1/2 years finished with straight,and you and your buddies gang banged the shit right out of my ass,all the while patting me on the back and acting like a friend that you respected!
then reported me for trivial bullshit for that bitch sylvia koulker and the great "dean " minstretta......hey everyone,this is one of "dean's boys"!i wonder how you fucking sleep after what you and the other assholes did to me...
i wonder if you fucking remember what that newcomer girl said to staff,{you and the other pieces of shit} when i was hastily saying my goodbyes to the group? let me refresh your clouded memory...."why do all the good staff members like matt have to leave,and assholes like DAMON get to stay....!".....your face turned as red as miller newtons when she said that!.....the fucking truth having been said,did you crusify that girl later? give her a bad deal for being HONEST?....i'll bet you did! how did you fucking feel when sylvia said,as i was "escorted" out the door..."if you ever set foot on the premises,we'll have you arrested!".....were you like all the others i have had the pleasure of confronting ?.....shocked at what happened? didn't think it would go that fucking far,damon?
let me enlighten you damon,....it didn't stop there,nope,not dean and sylvia,they couldn't just fire me and let it go....they had ppl follwing me,getting me arrested,losing my jobs,my girlfriends...whatever they could to ruin me!sad to say,short of dying,they did a good job!i wound up on the streets of boston with nothing.....they told you i was fired for "suspicion of drug use"!
the facts are,i didn't use drugs for a year later,thanks to thier concerted effort to "help" me........the other two staff trainees you helped get fired in the same week,were john p. and greg m......greg m is dead now.....he died about a year later.....it couldn't be that the bullshit you and the others did,had anything to do with it,huh?
with me,it was your mission in life to watch me....watch me?...lol....you'd never tested your
"sobriety".....more than that,you'd only been in the program for 7 fucking months! thats like me showing jerome bettis how to be a running back!
anyone that really knows you,knows you were a huge asshole.......just like when paul meyer and i had it out on here,don't fucking lie man....its just not cool! anyone who marvels at the fact that some of us,shit most of us are stuck in time
because of what happened in that place and thinks we're a joke because of it,is a fucking moron....
look on here and read some of the stuff on here...
it can't all be bullshit....in my case its not...
yes damon,i'm still very pissed off about that time in my life!i'm glad your very brief time in straight has done very little harm to you and you're doing good.....the only nightmares a person in your shoes could have are from the guilt you have for inflicting so much grief on others that were unable to defend themselves or didn't have a clue you were giving them a john holms sized schlong up the kazoo without k-y jelly......by the way,what was your unjustly reward? junior staff? a night at a barmizva with sylvia? a trip into providince town with dean and the boys?.....get fucking real....

[Anonymous]

From all I've read today it seems like, for many folks out there, Straight was the most significant thing that has ever happened to them and they have chosen to define themselves by it. Not so much on this message chain, but there are some people out there that need to move on.


i'm glad you are doing great....none of us chose straight as a definition of our lives....it chose us! a lot of us couldn't find a way to move on! you really think that we want that? I want you to hook me up with your weed source so i can buy your stament too......what part of straight did you think was acceptable enough to forget like
some of the insignificant stuff that really did happen in our lives? oh,i know! the day i sliced my hand open cause i saw no other way out of there on my 3rd day in there right?how about the time joey glaze made me hold my urine the whole day because i didn't go to the bathroom in the "alotted" we were supposed to go?{and the whole day was a st.fucking pete openmeeting day/night} by the way this is only a couple of incidents in a 28 1/2 month program of st.pete hell!this crap was done by very unqualified "hacks" like damon,with no prior education.no licenses......thier ego's were stroked by unqualified hacks like dean minstretta
and sylvia koulker......damon and paul and the others were made to believe that what they were doing was "awarness".....thiers being soooo special!.....yeah...i'd love to move on....i didn't talk about straight for 18 + years after i was crusified by dean and sylvia and company....
but it kept haunting me.....for 26 years i've been trying very hard to move on and put my "tenure" in hell behind me......

[Nomad]

Matt, you and I remember things very differently.

I wish you the best of luck.

Damon

[Anonymous]

Hey Hip,

Most everyone from Stoughton has no idea about St. Pete, or the early Springfield stuff.  They only remember your time as a staff member, and you're right, most remember you in a good way.  It all runs together in my mind, too.

Your experience was bad, we've talked about it.
I don't think Damon or anyone else was aware of any accusations of drug use or "bad behavior"  against you.  As I said, chain of command was in effect.  I was told something untrue, and only people up the chain could be talked to about it.

Now dont' everyone freak out about the words I chose.  I'm not brainwashed anymore, but you have to see the mind-crime from the original perspective to see how easy it was to perpetrate.

I was told by exec. staff to watch Matt closely due to several "concerns" being reported.  I was to discuss this only with the Execs.  As a result of the "concerns" and some incredibly timed circumstantial evidence, I reported him for something else, and Bang - he was fired.
They lied to everyone and said "Drug use".

We got played.  Sound familiar?  I lost a decent friend in Matt, and Matt lost nearly everything.  Not fair.  Not fair at all.

Hip, Honestly, your character and reputation was trashed behind your back, but by a select few, and I bought what they were selling.  

I'm sorry dude.  You know I am.  Damon has no clue.

Some folks around here don't realize some folks' anger is therapeutic.  I would like to yell back at a few old staff members too.

Peace Brother, you earned it.

Paul Meyer

[Anonymous]

oh yeah?.....lol...i think you should read "stoughton...a question for staff and oldcomers" on this site....paul did too until we had it out damon.....i knew you'd say that! i especially knew you would !you were a prick then and you seem to be evasive about it now.you're not fooling me and scaring me away by saying "you remember things sooooo different" that just won't work!....not anymore,we're not in group where you can hide behind your "staff image" and tell someone to have a seat or hide behind sylvia's skirt!{or dean's ass} i thought it was all hazy to you!/ or is that only when its convenient for you?.....paul admitted what happened to me up there was wrong and it was a witch hunt!at first he said he remembered things differently too!....you see,i never had my say in "group".....i was simply fired and branded a fuck up damon!thats what that fucking cult you so quickly adheard to,told you about me.they fucking lied....paul and i talked for 4 hours on the phone
after our arguement on this site damon......everything you were told about me was bullshit....go ask him if you don't believe me...
or live with the illution that everything you did for dean and sylvia was for the rightious and good
of all of us "poor" abused phasers,that only you and the rest could help save......lol.......
who are you fucking kidding man?....dean became a homo!{something he promptly humped ppl for when they admitted having something like that happen to them in the past} isn't that hipocritical of him? sadistic?......sylvia was a homo too.she definatly wasn't wearing "victoria's secret"....maybe victors secret,i don't know.....
you tell everyone on here that you hardly remember what happened way back then,but then you promptly remember your days on your phases and me.....a dumb assed 7 stepper who was hardly on staff up there{5 weeks}that was a joke to you all.....i was never part of that place.neither was i a staff member....i was somthing sylvia and dean wanted out of there in a big hurry.....i wasn't a controlable "hack" that would do anything they said.you were.i questioned authority,you didn't.therefore, what ever they said about me,you believed....you believed it so much,you helped them ruin my life damon.thats what cult leaders do....and what the followers like you did! worse than that,you honestly thought you were "helping" me and protecting the group from me.....!tell me damon,did i hurt your
program when you were in virginia? i came in on my own to help you guys....a promise i made to everyone the night i 7 stepped....unlike others,my promise wasn't hollow.....yes,i grew my hair long,wore tye-dyes,drove a muscle car and yet,i was never told NOT to come into the building
.....if i was soooooo full of shit,there's no way i or anyone else could or would even think of going into the building,just out of fear of being forced back in there,we would stay away....but there i was......obviously a dumbass for doing so!
i'm not mad at paul anymore....disappointed,but not mad......we worked everything out the best we could under the circumstances.my hachet with him is buried.you say it was a cult,and you're glad to be done with it.you say that you have nightmares about it....can't believe how terrible it was in there....? can't it just be possible that they PLAYED you about me? tricked you into believing a bunch of bogus bullshit to stimulate the manipulation of my being full of shit?nooooo,straight wouldn't do that! would they?....
like a fucking X-FILE...."the truth is out there"
tell me damon,did you smoke weed or drink or anything else after you finally left straight? did you "fuck up" all on your own?or were you too,"helped" by bunch of assholes,like i was? anyways,i've said what i needed to and don't worry,i won't bother you or follow you around and scrutinise your every move like you all did to me,
it's not my style....never was....hippie

[Anonymous]

tell damon that.....he seems to think it was different....on my last letter,i told him we hashed it out.....i have no anamosity towards you anymore paul....i just hurt all over.he was an arrogant prick towards me.....but,just like you,he is forgivable....mike too.....dean and sylvia?....good lord man,.....i don't know what i'd do if i saw them.probably nothing....you know the worst paul?i tried to call ireen b.,but i never got a return call back...maybe it was the wrong number,maybe,because of all the bullshit that happened to me up there,she doesn't want to talk to me.what happened,spread all over the 7 step society...they all think i'm a bad person etc etc......it really bums me out.damon i'm sorry for jumping your shit.i just got angry when i saw your name.....if you had ever gotten to really know me,you would've seen i was just a really nice guy.....i used to be anyways...lately i've been really angry toward a lot of ppl....after finding out all the stuff i did,at first there was a calm,then the more i thought of it,the angrier i got.....everything i had come to accept as truth about what happened,well,a lot of it was bullshit!all over again i have to deal with this shit....i fucking hate it!especially my family.....they held what happened up there against me ....they still do.....again i'm sorry about jumping your shit....please forgive me
....hippie

[Anonymous]

hippie, i think you should just do some forgiving. I think you and paul were lucky to have hashed that out. it says something about each of your characters'. but if you want to engage in countless numbers of battles, you will lose by your own venom. fuck man, half the time nobody is who they say they are on this site so you could just be getting your buttons pushed. pick and choose your battles. you should also tell some jokes on this site or tell us about your day or something so you dont always sound like A REALLY FUCKING PISSED OFF HIPPIE. tell us about your band, your car, or about your child; something we have really heard nothing about.

[Nomad]

Matt -

you unload on me like that and, only in the end, ask me to forgive? You really don't know me, do you?

But, it's twenty-something years later and I'm learning to practice restraint. So, rather than lash out in the same harsh manner as you did toward me, I'll simply let it go. You're forgiven (as if, coming from me, that meant something).

Oh, and just in case you thought I thought differently... I *know* I was a prick. Why do you think I always on the schedule to run Friday nite review? And, yes, I mostly am still (a prick, that is) - but in spite of that there are some out there who love me. Funny how that works.

Be well, Matt. I hope you find peace.

Damon

[Anonymous]

Shut the hell up, ya prick!  :lol:

[Antigen]

"From all I've read today it seems like, for many folks out there, Straight was the most significant thing that has ever happened to them and they have chosen to define themselves by it. Not so much on this message chain, but there are some people out there that need to move on."

Damon, that rankles for a couple of reasons. First the insider use of the word "chose". Have you noticed over the past 20 odd years that nobody other than Straightlings goes out of their way to throw that word in there in this kind of context?

Blaming the victim?

Second, you want forgiveness? Try a sincere apology instead of insinuated smear. You'd be surprised.

A fundamentalist Christian President who claims God told him to invade Iraq ? an act that killed more than 150,000 civilians, mostly women and children ? is not that much different from a fundamentalist Islamic fanatic who claims it is the will of Allah that he send young men to America to crash airliners into office buildings and kill 3,000 plus.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7501.shtml' target='_new'>DOUG THOMPSON

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Straight, Sarasota
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[Nomad]

Eudora -

I didn't write that which you are giving me credit as the author. If you go back and read the thread, the Anonymous author claims to know me and my mother's artwork that was on the walls. I agree with your statement, FWIW.

I didn't ask for forgiveness. Matt did. And, if by suggesting that the way I remember ancient history is somehow a smear, well, for that I have no rebuttal. I had nothing to do with (nor was I aware of why) Matt being fired. That much I DO remember.

D.

On 2006-03-30 21:23:00, Eudora wrote:

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"From all I've read today it seems like, for many folks out there, Straight was the most significant thing that has ever happened to them and they have chosen to define themselves by it. Not so much on this message chain, but there are some people out there that need to move on."

Damon, that rankles for a couple of reasons. First the insider use of the word "chose". Have you noticed over the past 20 odd years that nobody other than Straightlings goes out of their way to throw that word in there in this kind of context?



Blaming the victim?



Second, you want forgiveness? Try a sincere apology instead of insinuated smear. You'd be surprised.

A fundamentalist Christian President who claims God told him to invade Iraq ? an act that killed more than 150,000 civilians, mostly women and children ? is not that much different from a fundamentalist Islamic fanatic who claims it is the will of Allah that he send young men to America to crash airliners into office buildings and kill 3,000 plus.



http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7501.shtml' target='_new'>DOUG THOMPSON

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fka ~ Antigen

Drug war POW  

Straight, Sarasota

`80 - `82

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