Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
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ottawa5:
To Hamilton(just like a bad penny)f:
I admit that I have much to learn about psychology and a number of other things but I doubt very much that I am going to learn them from a socialist-leaning-America-bashing-drug-obsessed-lawyer-of-sorts from Canada. Thanks but no thanks, I'll trust my own sources.
I've rather had all the political drivel with you already, and it is too late and I am too busy to go through that again.
If you try me another time, I might be game though--you are just way more interested in the whole question of legalizing drugs than I am--so you always seem like of peripheral to my focus--don't get me wrong, as a libertarian, I think I've told you that, in my view, the drug war is one big mess--that is about the only thing we are likely to agree on, so perhaps it is something to celebrate. [ This Message was edited by: ottawa5 on 2004-07-28 23:08 ]
Cypress:
Ottawa,
I asked you in my previous post to state what you like about Cedu. You gave a lengthy response that I find rather revealing.
Based on your response, it appears that the only thing that you have any kind of first hand experience with is with the parent workshops. While you sing the praises of your workshop, you readily admit that your workshop was not like a propheet given the lack of sleep deprivation. Why exactly did Cedu not expose parents to that lovely aspect?
Your post only justifies what I've said before. I don't believe you are qualified to sing the praises of Cedu based on the simple fact that you were never in the program. A few parent workshops are a far cry from living Cedu day in and day out.
Anonymous:
Also, while your workshop with Mel was emotionally difficult you can bet that they did not employ the more verbally/emotionally abusiev aspects that were the hallmark of the propheets for students. There is a difference between confrontation and verbal abuse.
But hey, if you got something good from your experience, the parent tailored Dream exercise, then I'm not going to trash that specific experience. It's always good to rediscover talents... But that is still a tailored experience. It's not the full frontal assault that students experience.
ottawa5:
What did you think? That I'd been enrolled in an emotional growth school myself? Of course, my only experience is in the parent part of the program!
But from talking to my son, and other kids, I've seen how the underlying premises of emotional growth are behind both dimensions of the program.
Well, I gave it my best shot. If it makes you feel any better, I was sleep deprived during most of my advanced workshop because I couldn't sleep for writing poetry and being kind of scared of Mel, who was a most cranky man at times. Right a lot, I think, I don't know how, but not very pleasant.
I'm sorry you didn't experience any of what I'm talking about, it was very powerful and very positive for me, my son, and the rest of our family. I believe that you didn't, though, if you had experienced even a small part of it, I think that something in my very, very, very long post would have touched you in such a way that we would have had some amount of common ground.
I've got to trust the people I know personally, know in many aspects of the way in which they live and feel on a daily basis. These people got the same kind of growth out of the school program that I got from the parent part.
I continue to believe that, for some kids, the emotional growth curriculuum is life changing, in a good way. I wish that a program could be designed that did not make some people react as you have and ruin any chance of your benefiting from what the underlying principles have to offer.
Anonymous:
I don't believe you are who you say. I think you're one of those Lon Woodberrys trying to sabotage these forums.
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