Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
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Anonymous:
Wait a minute. Does he or does he NOT have a drug problem. There seem to be some contradictions in your statements.
You say this: "unless my child had some kind of addictive behavior history, something that we have not experienced"
but then this: "When a 15 year old kid is using every drug around and acting out in all sorts or ways and refusing to engage with parents or professionals to discuss why, there, in that moment, it is difficult if not impossible to say whether it's an addiction or a behavioral problem."
Anonymous:
http://www.cedu2.com/center/index.php3? ... ons&quiz=3
http://www.cedu2.com/center/index.php3? ... ons&quiz=4
http://www.cedu2.com/center/index.php3? ... ons&quiz=2
These irritate me too. What teen DOESN'T display either most or all of these "symptoms"? This suggests to me parents that are not involved in their kids lives and are either unwilling or too incompetent to deal with adolescence and all the crazy behaviors that come with it. Which, btw, is a normal part of child development. It's part of the breaking away from the parents process and GOD KNOWS WE CAN'T HAVE THAT now can we? :roll: :roll:
CEDU IS A CULT:
I can't stand the stench! Not to be offensive.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-07-28 14:22:00, ottawa5 wrote:
When a 15 year old kid is using every drug around and acting out in all sorts or ways and refusing to engage with parents or professionals to discuss why, there, in that moment, it is difficult if not impossible to say whether it's an addiction or a behavioral problem.
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No, but it's a dead certainty that the kid doesn't want or think he needs your help. And it's quite possible that he hasn't got a problem. You obviously have a problem w/ his behavior (or maybe just what you imagine his behavior to be when you're not around). But the kid doesn't want to tell you what's going on.
Here's the catch. There's only one way to change someone against their will. You have to break their will. No getting around that. And there isn't any way to do that without doing injury to the person.
And you'll never know what might have been had you not panicked and taken such drastic measures. If things go well, CEDU will be (in your mind, anyway) the salvation. If things don't go well, it will be his fault for not following the Program. At least, that's the way it goes for most parents, except for those who quit drinking the kool aid long enough to realize how rediculously badly they've been took.
Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't.
-- Anonymous
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-07-28 13:40:00, ottawa5 wrote:
Wouldn't it be more parsimonious, at least more intellectually honest, in the face of all the evidence, to just agree that CEDU at least sometimes leads to good outcomes?
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I don't see any evidence of that. I think that, just like every other outfit implimenting the Synanon model, it sometimes fails to utterly destroy an individual.
Look, I'm speaking from long term experience here. 5/6 of the kids in my family went through The Seed or Straight, Inc. All of us would supposedly have been deadinsaneorinjail w/o the salvation of the Program. All of our peers, who didn't get that salvation, were supposed to have been deadinsaneorinjail by now. But I've been watching this saga unfold for around 30 years and those dire predictions simply are not born out by reality. The fact is that Program vets are far more likely to be dead, insane, in jail (or having been in jail) and/or living marginally than our peers who didn't go through the Program. None of my old friends commited suicide. Not one, not anyone I went to school with, not one of my neighbors, including the really "bad" kids. At least half a dozen kids I knew in the program have offed themselves and another dozen or so people I know through our common experience w/ the program struggle w/ suicidal ideation at least occasionally.
The proof is in the pudding, lady. Of course, the boat has already left the dock as regards whether or not to put your son through a Synanon based behavior mod program. However, there's one thing that you could do (or not) to help ameliorate the damage. From hence forth, don't ever, ever attribute your son's success or accomplishment to the Program. No skin off you nose at all; simply attribute his success to him and not the Program. When he makes mistakes, don't advise him to work the Program. Just forget all about it unless he brings it up. Trust me on this one, it'll save him a lot of grief.
Everybody's lost just waiting to be found. Everyone's a thought just waiting to fade.
-- Billy Corgan of The Smashing Pumpkins
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