Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
My intentions
Cypress:
Greg! Great to hear from you. Thanks for your words of encouragment. For the most part I think this board is heading in the right direction. I'd love to see more students post but alas I believe that they are scared away by the likes of Ottawa. After all, we've already been through the program, who really wants it shoved down our throats again by a program "plant". I can only hope that she will get bored and move on over to the strugglingteens website where she would find a most welcome home. It just angers me. They have their board (strugglingteens) where we are not allowed to express opinions and yet they can wander over here and shit all over us and we have to just sit back and take it. I for one don't want to see this board turned into a censored pile of crap so I guess we have to just take Ottawa for now until she decides to move on. You know, show that we are "bigger" than they are.
GregFL:
Don't get frustrated by her, Cypress.
Just so you know, Ottawa, Fornits is owned and operated as a public service by Ginger and I help her where I can, such as here describing the forum's position. Fornits is largely unmoderated for content. Each individual moderator sets the rules for each forum, and most have none. One of the few exceptions is the Seed discussion forum which I moderate, and my only rule is no personal attacks. Opinions are encouraged. On most fornits sites, you are free to post whatever you want, including personal attacks, including vile language, including tasteless comments. This is for a reason, unmoderated forums have a way of making sense out of a hodgepodge of ideas and opinions. When these thoughts are restricted, it becomes a one sided club, not a forum.
Just because your posts are accepted, please realize those that feel they were abused in "treatment" don't often take defense of their abuser lightly and you may not be treated kindly. This is the facts of an unmoderated forum with a topic such as a treatment center.
Welcome to fornits, all, and everyone make this forum great! This is where you will learn what really happened to you, find like minded people, discover new ideas and you will have a window into the mind of those that are oppositional to your conclusions.
Have fun.
ottawa5:
Cypress---Reason for my quick response now is that a friend who watches the site told me this AM to say that my post to you last evening was a little harsh.
Puzzled by the remark, I checked the post and found that somehow I had deleted the last paragraph, which I have entered now--the jist of it is that, notwithstanding your present attitude, I would be glad to speak with you reasonably about your experiences, if you decide that you want to.
No time for more now, but to touch on your queries, I am a student, not an independently practicing clinician yet, I am not at the site as a therapist, I am here as a person who may want to develop a behavioral/educational program of her own someday, looking for info.
Sometimes the ranting does get me frustrated, though I have never gotten so cranky and rude as any number of others--but as a general principle, if ever someone who has acted like a jerk in the past wants to try for a meaningful interaction, it's easy for me to put such feelings aside and move on when others are willing to try to be civil.
No time now to address your "why are you here?" question further than that--if you really want to know, ask again later--and, no, sorry, the green smily-face will not convince me to leave it I wish to be here.
mikehunt:
I'm so incredibly sick of people asking others where they got their degrees in order to validate the person's thoughts.
it's not about academia, it's about being able to observe other humans. it's sad how many phds and mds there are out there that have no idea how to help their patients.
it takes a hell of a lot more than just a degree; it takes knowledge through observation and a creative mind. i'm an artist who sits around watching people all day to observe their behaviors; i think that makes me more credible than some jackass who went through the motions of college to get a little piece of paper that tells the werld that they are ready to practice psychology, even though their studies didn't really teach them all of what they needed to know.
we value degrees far too much. societal programming's a bitch... i can teach myself better than any 4 year college program can teach me.. especially because i know precisely what i want to learn; a professor teaches me what s/he wants me to learn. i'm sick of having to jump through these stupid academic hoops... i'm not a circus side-show, goddamnit.
ok, i'm done ranting now.
thanks.[ This Message was edited by: mikehunt on 2004-07-27 09:23 ]
Cypress:
--- Quote ---On 2004-07-27 09:21:00, mikehunt wrote:
"I'm so incredibly sick of people asking others where they got their degrees in order to validate the person's thoughts.
--- End quote ---
Mike,
I respectfully disagree with you on this point. A degree can go a long way when it comes to being able to evaluate and diagnose an individual. Cedu is a prime example of such. These were inexperienced and uncredentialed individuals foolishly applying "therapeutic" models. It didn't work at Cedu and it most definately won't work on this board. While I understand your frustration, I will not be subjected to being labeled "hysteric" by a perfect stranger.
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