Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
My intentions
Anonymous:
Woops, I meant ignore the idiot. But it also fits with their philosophy. If they ignore all the bad that's been reported, maybe it will magically disappear.
Cypress:
Ottawa,
I havent figured out yet why you are choosing to ignore me. I really am interested in hearing why you would want to ignore me. What kind of a threat do I pose to you? If its the whole "she's too fragile to deal with conflict" argument, I beg of you to get over it.
I have a few proposals for you. I acknowledge that you have every right to be here and post whatever it is you might like to say. I may not agree with what you say but I would hate to see the forum censored in any way. That being said, let me say this. The road runs both ways. If you choose to post on this board and I choose to listen to what you have to say, be prepared to receive a response back from me. I will not agree to ignore you. It is neither productive, nor realistic.
Next, there are no rules here on proper etiquette. No one here is trying to win a Miss Manners contest. I for one will continue to use foul language and post "angry tirades". It is how I choose to express myself. If you don't like it, frankly, get over it. As I've said before, this is our forum. We are entitled to express our views in any way we choose. I would suggest that you simply accept it. I have spent a bit of time re-reading a sampling of posts and have found that I was not so much angered by the content of your argument but by the manner in which you chose to strike back at posters. I will acknowledge that this is perhaps just how you express yourself. So be it. I do not agree with your techniques but there is not a damned thing I can do about it.
Moving on. I simply ask that you understand that those of us who have posted so far on this forum have had pretty negative experiences with the Cedu technique. You on the other hand have had a positive experience. But that is like comparing apples to oranges. You have never been a student at a program. You can not relate to where we have been and what we have survived. You say your son has had a positive experience and I guess we will just have to take you at your word since your son has remained silent.
I believe that the Cedu technique is inherently abusive. You on the other hand disagree with this belief.
History has proven man's viewpoints on what constitues abuse wrong on many an occassion. There was a time when slavery was not considered abuse. There was a time when children as young six in the workforce was not considered abuse. There was a time when cruel psychiatric treatments were not considered abuse. There was a time when domestic violence was not considered abuse. I firmly believe that eventually, submitting children to extreme psychological torment (aka Raps) will be considered abuse. I believe that depriving a child of their due process will be considered abuse. I believe that submitting children to endless hours of isolation will be considered abuse. I believe that restricting a child's access to education will be considered abuse.
If you are up to it, I would honestly appreciate hearing your response to this post. If, on the other hand, you choose to ignore it, so be it.
ottawa5:
Deborah--I am still trying to come to terms with your weekend post--actually made notes on it today between clients.
Here is the thing--you seem to have a lot of opinions on psychology and research in general--what is the basis of your understanding in this regard: reading, course-work, or what? Because, I have to say, a lot of it seems kind of simplistic, like someone who really is kind of fuzzy on the details but wants to be considered an authority just because she is bashing something.
Using your "oh my pie" food based metaphor, might I go so far as to say that you do not seem to know "beans from apple butter" about these subjects? This is only a hypothesis of course, one day I will get through your post and we can have a real food fight over it.
You know, when I first heard from you, your name was unfamiliar to me and I checked some of your previous contributions of which there are many, but wasn't one of them about how it would be if you were Queen? And now, in this post, you are instructing the whole forum on how to relate to me? Hmmm--how do you spell "delusions of grandeur"?
But never mind, what will be, and if people adherr to your advice or not, my life will go on--at least, I hope, long enough to address your post in some detail.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-07-27 21:13:00, ottawa5 wrote:
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Using your "oh my pie" food based metaphor, might I go so far as to say that you do not seem to know "beans from apple butter" about these subjects? This is only a hypothesis of course, one day I will get through your post and we can have a real food fight over it.
--- End quote ---
OK. Now you're just making me hungry.
Deborah:
Sweetie,
I imagine you're having a reaction. It wasn't an "instruction", I stated it as a "suggestion".
So, what will the topic of your thesis be, Ottawa?
Will any of the "characters" you've encountered here be analyzed?
You apparently know what a metaphor is, but you can't figure out what I meant when I said, "If I were Queen"? I think it was more likely an indirect comment, implying that I'm a control freak. And probably in response to me suggesting you might have control issues from your traditional/catholic upbringing, which I still believe. And I might add, an over-undulged ego.
I'm good at slinging hash and grits. You are most definitely a behavioralist, I'm most definitely not. Do you really want to have that debate? I'm not that interested myself, and I don't see how it will further your stated purpose.
Wouldn't your time be better spent engaging the survivors here. You know, asking questions, confirming stories, showing a real interest in what happened to people and how they were hurt?
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