Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > CEDU / Brown Schools and derivatives / clones
My intentions
ottawa5:
Cypress-- I am trying to be judicious in my approach, and also genuine, not always an easy balance.
Let me say something, one thing at least, though. The reason that I thought you were slamming my son was some comment you made in your initial post about the fact that you would not stand by (or something of that nature) and hear about his success.
Maybe I am wrong, it was not a slam, maybe you just didn't want to hear it. But his experience was real, my experience is real, and if a thousand people tell me it wasn't, it won't matter, our own experiences are true.
No one will take them away from us.
In my son's case, it is easier. His total current focus is going forward with his life, the whole CEDU experience was like something that launched him into his life as it is now, and he cares little about analysing how it happened. He is just grateful, and successful in personal and academic ways, and the best child a mother could have.
I want to recreate that experience for other people and so I must take on the burden of de-constructing how it happened. Whether you believe it or not, that is at the base of my motives of posting here. And part of that is understanding what has not worked for others (letting kids with certain diagnoses into emotional growth programs, for example).
That is the reason for my questions, again, whether you believe it or not.
Cypress:
Ottawa,
In response to your private message...
Who the fuck are you to question my mental well being. Yes, I currently visit a psychiatrist. Monthly, for meds checks. How dare you patronize me with your new "concerned" attitude. If you are so concerned with how a little conflict in my life might affect my mental well being how the fuck did you expect your son to deal with all the Cedu confrontation he would have to face when you placed him in the program?
I will not sit back and let you even begin to discriminate against me because of any illness I have, be it mental or physical. And by using your "kid gloves" approach with me you are doing just that, discriminating. I didn't ask for differential treatment and I will not tolerate differential treatment.
Cypress:
--- Quote ---On 2004-07-26 17:09:00, Cypress wrote:
...You have NOT been there like we have. You will NEVER know what we have been through. You have NEVER had your dignity ripped from you in the way we have. I will NOT sit here and listen to how well your son did or did not do at Cedu. How the Hell do you know? YOU WERE NOT THERE. If your son wishes to join our dialogue, I strongly encourage his participation...
--- End quote ---
Ottawa,
Here is my comment to you regarding your son. You will notice that I have no problem hearing your son's story. I even encouraged his participation. I do have a problem with hearing your son's story as told through you. To you this may seem to be splitting hairs, but to me there is a huge difference between the story you tell and the story your son has to tell.
ottawa5:
Cypress--There is really no reason to strike attitudes--how about just assuming I am sincere, you can always change your mind about that, at your own discretion, later on.
And I have to ask: why have you even addressed me again today, with the attitude, the hostility, you could just ignore me, if the quality of your current posts is all the interest you have in any kind of meeting of minds. I said that I'd ignore you, stay away from you, and yet you sought me out again. But I'll try to answer some of your questions anyway, and hope things become clearer.
In terms of my experience with the school, I really was not too concerned about how my son would deal with confrontation for two simple reasons: for one thing, I knew nothing about psychological issues at that point, so I didn't know enough about it to have an opinion (kind of ignorant bliss, I guess), and for another reason, I was sort of instinctually aware that he was one tough kid who was pretty oppositional.
What would you have me say: the truth is that we both learned whole dimensions of living through our CEDU experiences.
The facts are that, post-CEDu, my whole family is happier than ever. For myself, I have a clear vision of what I want to do with the rest of my life and that vision is directly related to my CEDU experiences.
So of course, after having such a good experience, I would like to share it with others. Let me say it as clearly as I can: I am aware that not every other person had the same good experience that I had---I would like to understand why that is.
When I say that, all I often hear is that I must be brainwashed, my son must be brainwashed, I am a CEDU mole, my son is a coward, and on and on.
None of that is true but I do realize that these programs do not work for a lot of people. I would like to make sense of that reality.
That's all.
Anonymous:
Thought you were leaving never to return? Aren't you supposed to be on your way to fantasy land?
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