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« on: June 27, 2004, 01:29:00 AM »
Volatile Industry?  I think the better word is highly CONTROVERSIAL. Anybody know who runs this website?

http://www.teen-programs.com/child-abus ... ograms.php
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« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2004, 11:45:00 AM »
Googled the phone number (800) 781-8281 Interesting returns:
http://www.google.com/search?q=1+(800)+781-8281&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&start=0&sa=N
Pages and pages of returns that list this phone number and a blurb on Boot Camps or Boarding Schools, but the link takes one to "PrescriptionDieting.com"

Links in that search
http://www.teenbootcamps.us/

Appears to be an Placement Service in St George
http://www.teen-success.org/newmessageboard.php
Site Administrator
http://www.troubledteen.us

From that website:
http://www.teen-success.org/faqs.php
Q. Are short term programs effective?
A. We have found that longer programs, usually one year in length, tend to be more effective than shorter term program.

Q. Are there any free programs?
A. We do not work with any programs that are free.

Q: What is the cost associated with a teen program?
A: Programs range in price from $2,100 per month up to $5,000 per month.

Q: Is there financing available?
A: We work with several lending institutions that will finance the programs we represent and help get payments around $200 per month (O.A.C.)

Q: Can I get financial help from my health insurance?
A: Health Insurance plans rarely pay for the programs we work with.

Q. Do you charge for your service?
A. We are paid by the schools we represent so there is no cost to you in working with us.

Q. How are you different from other placement agencies?
A. We are not directly associated with any particular group of schools which gives us a broader range of recommendations.
 
 
      1-800-781-8281
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« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2004, 11:55:00 AM »
This came off of that site.  I don't know why I'm still surprised every time I read shit like this.

http://www.get-radical.net/bootcamps.php

Boot Camps for Troubled Teens

The boot camp for troubled teens is probably the most widely used term today when a parent is searching for help. Boot camps for troubled teens are often portrayed on television with results visible in a weekend. While there are boot camps for troubled teens like this available we don't work with any that promise this type of success. As you may have already guessed in the real world changing a troubled teen is not an overnight or a weekend project. The troubled teen will have to come to a realization that the world does not revolve around them. They will have to understand that there are rules that are part of any civilized community. They will come to appreciate that there is someone they have to answer to, and be accountable to.

Boot camps for troubled teens are one of the least expensive and most structured options that we work with. Some people feel that boot camps for troubled teens are abusive. Our observation and experience on this, is that they are not abusive. To a child that has been given everything to them that they have wanted, any Boot camp will definitely seem extreme. Anyone who has experienced a military boot camp will appreciate what this time in their life did for them. It has been described as the toughest time men and women have ever had. Yet with a smile they will admit that it changed them for the better. It has given them an appreciation for authority, and helped them learn to adapt in many different situations throughout their lives. Most adults realize that we are all subject to some kind of authority. This realization comes in different ways to everyone. One thing is certain, without this understanding a teen will inevitably end up in a situation that will teach them this principle. Boot camps for troubled teens have changed thousands of young people's lives for the better. While the results are not accomplished in a weekend or a week they can be accomplished. The typical stay in a boot camp for a troubled teen is usually one year.

Education in a boot camp for a troubled teen is also highly structured. The classroom is quiet, and the cadets are focused. There is no speaking out of turn or moving about the classroom without permission. There is a minimum amount of work that is required of each cadet, and there is also a minimum grade that is accepted. Most boot camps for troubled teens will have a student repeat an assignment if they do not achieve at least an 80% of comprehension. The academics in boot camps for troubled teens are an important part of your teens daily schedule, and also a good indicator of their willingness to work the program.

Boot Camps

In a search on the Internet for boot camps you will usually find many types of boot camps. There are boot camps for new dads, boot camps for real estate, and boot camps for computer related industries. On our site boot camps is referring to placement in a military style boarding school, where the child will be treated much like he or she would if they were in the military. The youth will usually wear military style uniforms, and they will address their leaders as yes sir or yes mam. The will only be able to speak when they are called on to speak, and they will have to ask permission to do just about everything, including go to the bathroom. They will be up at an early hour, and retire at an early hour. Most of the boot camps we work with have limited use of television, CD players and closely monitored use of computers. Telephone calls are limited to parents. The students are watched over a 24/7 period. Boot camps have proven to be an effective option for the restoration of control for parents in their homes. Boot camps will also teach respect for adult and authority figures. For most youth, time spent in a boot camp setting will enable them to realize where they were headed before they came. It will allow them to change their course before they return home. The boot camps we work with are not tied to any division of the United States military, and they are usually privately owned and operated. The United States military boot camps will not accept a student that is unruly or that has no desire to be there.

Juvenile Boot Camps

The term juvenile boot camp is almost synonymous with teen boot camps, with the exception of taking a little younger student. We have juvenile boot camps that will take youth as young as 10 years of age. Our feeling on sending this young of a student is pretty extreme. Usually a child of this age is going to do better in a setting a little closer to home. Most children this age need to be around home, and closer to their parents. We have sent cadets "particularly boys" at this age away from home. Only if the parents have tried everything they can locally, and nothing seems to be working. Juvenile boot camps are usually mixed with teen boot camps and the younger boys are cohabitation right along with their older peers. This can be good and or bad. For a younger boy to see an older cadet that has made changes in his life can be a good thing. For a young boy to choose an older less successful cadet as his role model can be disastrous. These are the reasons that we recommend that a juvenile boot camp for a younger child to be used only as a last resort.

Teen Boot Camps

Teen boot camps are usually the same as boot camps for troubled teens or troubled teen boot camps. When a parent is seeking help for a child that is out of control the first thought that comes to many parents minds is teen boot camps. The rationalization behind this is that a parent seeking help for a defiant child will usually visualize what they have seen on television, and desire that for their teen. There are teen boot camps that will take youth even if they have no desire to attend. There are escort or transport companies that will help you make arrangements to get your child to the program of your choice. Teen boot camps have been a very effective option for families with defiant youth in need of structure, discipline, and education. If a child has psychiatric needs it would be wise to find a teen boot camp that includes some form of therapy and counseling. We can recommend teen boot camps with therapy and teen boot camps that have no therapy but they are strictly for discipline and structure.

When discussing teen boot camps it is good to differentiate a teen boot camp from a military school. Military schools will not take a defiant teen into their academy. What they are looking for is boys or girls that have a desire to excel with an interest in the military. Military schools have minimum standards of admissions, which usually require a drug test, high school transcripts, and letters of recommendation from previous teachers, and other school officials. The types of teen boot camps we work with will take students that are using drugs, failing in school, and refuse to do anything they are asked to do.

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2004, 12:14:00 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2004, 12:14:00 PM »
http://www.pijiba.com/zonas/bibliografia.html

http://www.weeks101.com/PICS/sema02/pag ... 20092.html

http://www.dist6plan.org/boarding_high_school.htm


http://www.naje.org/troubled_teen_activities.htm

imbedded in all these sites are many other sites. OMG!!!

these were found searching on ask.com - and it goes on and on

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Click on any these links and see where you end up. Slick, very slick.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2004, 12:26:00 PM »
Domain Name:TEEN-SUCCESS.ORG

Created On:06-May-2004 21:27:41 UTCLast Updated On:14-May-2004 17:51:15 UTCExpiration Date:06-May-2005 21:27:41 UTCSponsoring Registrar:R39-LRORStatus:TRANSFER PROHIBITEDRegistrant ID:834478D3D5BA6894Registrant Name:Dan DekkerRegistrant Organization:Teen OptionsRegistrant Street1:1122 E 300 SRegistrant City:St GeorgeRegistrant Postal Code:84790Registrant Country:USRegistrant Phone:+1.4356287105Registrant Email:[email protected] ID:834478D3D5BA6894Admin Name:Dan DekkerAdmin Organization:Teen OptionsAdmin Street1:1122 E 300 SAdmin City:St GeorgeAdmin Postal Code:84790Admin Country:USAdmin Phone:+1.4356287105Admin Email:[email protected] ID:834478D3D5BA6894Tech Name:Dan DekkerTech Organization:Teen OptionsTech Street1:1122 E 300 STech City:St GeorgeTech Postal Code:84790Tech Country:USTech Phone:+1.4356287105Tech Email:[email protected] Server:NS1.HOSTEXCELLENCE.COMName Server:NS2.HOSTEXCELLENCE.COM
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2004, 12:34:00 PM »
http://www.miami.edu/ctrada/

excerpt:

The fourth study, also to be delivered in a drug court setting, is a randomized controlled trial comparing the acceptability, efficacy, and benefit-cost of two different juvenile drug court models, MDFT (multi-dimensional family treatment) and an individual and peer focused drug treatment intervention, both integrated with existing core juvenile drug court services.  Finally, CTRADA is one of nine research centers selected for Criminal Justice Drug Abuse Treatment Studies (CJ-DATS), a new NIDA funded national effort investigating novel solutions to habitual drug use among juvenile offenders.  In the context of the CJ-DATS, CTRADA investigators are proposing to develop an intervention designed to link juvenile detention and community treatment contexts for substance abusing juvenile offenders.

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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2004, 01:15:00 PM »
http://www.christianboardingschools.us

 Q. How long will my child be away from home?
A. Programs range in length from 3 months to 3 years with an average stay being 1 year.

Q. Can I visit my child while he or she is away?
A. Most programs have visitation beginning about 30 days after the child has arrived. Some programs use this for a reward and it may take longer.

Q. How effective are the programs?
A. Most of the programs we work with have 70-80 success rates.

Q. What is considered success?
A. Success is defined as being able to return home and lead a healthy life. Not a perfect life but a healthy, more productive life.

Q. Why are Christian programs less expensive than other programs?
A. Many Christian programs are more interested in helping children, than getting rich, therefore they will hold their price down to allow more youth to participate.

Q. How can I know what the core beliefs of a program are?
A. A program should not have any secretive components about it. Everything the child and parent will be required to do should be openly discussed. You should ask if the program uses Christian teachings and if they study the Bible.

Q. Will my child attend school while he or she is away?
A. Yes, academics are a big part of most all programs. In many cases a child will return further along scholastically, than where they would be if they had stayed at home.

Q. Will insurance or the government pay for any of your schools?
A. No, the only financial help we can offer will come in the form of a loan. We can help you find a finance option for most schools. Typical payments are around $200 a month.

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Q. Why are Christian programs less expensive than other programs?
A. Many Christian programs are more interested in helping children, than getting rich, therefore they will hold their price down to allow more youth to participate.

Q. How effective are the programs?
A. Most of the programs we work with have 70-80 success rates.


Interesting, verrrrrry intersting.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2004, 01:17:00 PM »
Business Licenses Issued April-June 2003 from the St George Chamber of Commerce

TEEN OPTIONS INC
1122 E 300 S #I-216
                                        05/10/2004 DEKKER, DAN                      4356287021
ST. GEORGE           UT 84790

That address is apparently in an apartment complex.
[http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/draw_results/2004_biggame/s9890040.htm]
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2004, 01:43:00 PM »
So who is DAN DEKKER?
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2004, 02:13:00 PM »
If you google the name Dan Dekker you'll get many returns for a Real Estate Agent in Minnesota.

A journal for Southern Utah University in Cedar City mentions a Dan Dekker from Beaver:
Dan Dekker, a senior communication/business management major from Beaver, agrees with Leach. He said he shops at Nordstrom?s, Dillards and Zumiez, spending about $300 every month on clothes.?There?s nothing to buy in Cedar City,? he said. ?If you buy it, ever yone else is wearing it.?

Could 'Teen-Options' be run by two college students?
Dan Dekker- communications/business mgmt major
and
Jeremy Whiting- Student Computer Science, Webmaster and Site Administrator for Teen Options Website? Curious!!
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2004, 10:12:00 PM »
Looks like they are trying - oh so hard - to remain anonymous - are these the same as those sites from this thread?

 http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=3807&forum=9
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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2004, 10:22:00 PM »
Dan Dekker was fired from Teen Help for his recruiting tactics.  Maybe that's who some of the anti-wwasps people got recruited by...
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2004, 10:53:00 PM »
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On 2004-06-27 19:22:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Dan Dekker was fired from Teen Help for his recruiting tactics.  Maybe that's who some of the anti-wwasps people got recruited by..."


 :tup: Thanks Anon!
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