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Marnie:
I was a very very young seedling - My oldest brother Roger was put in the program  in the early 70's ...and because I was his sister - I was made to go in myself It was the opinion if one family member goes in....they all go in - I was just a baby  - I remember very little - but what I do know for sure! is that this partucular program saved my brothers life!!! - he was very close to death and needed desperate help - All he needed was someone to tell him there was a an alternative to the life of shooting drugs and crime - and the seed gavev him that -ONE FACT- he would have been dead - If you knew the horror stories of his past ( before the seed) you would not believe the horrible tales... he finished the program in record time and is an attorney today - he just needed someone to show hime a different lifestyle  - for that I am grateful - he also went to Lakewood High

 - now STRAIGHT IS A DIFFERENT STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a joke - but at the time I felt it was the only place I had where I felt I belonged with kids my age

GregFL:

--- Quote ---On 2002-07-22 15:33:00, Marnie wrote:
I was a very very young seedling - My oldest brother Roger was put in the program  in the early 70's ...and because I was his sister - I was made to go in myself It was the opinion if one family member goes in....they all go in - I was just a baby  - I remember very little - but what I do know for sure! is that this partucular program saved my brothers life!!! - he was very close to death and needed desperate help - All he needed was someone to tell him there was a an alternative to the life of shooting drugs and crime - and the seed gavev him that -ONE FACT- he would have been dead - If you knew the horror stories of his past ( before the seed) you would not believe the horrible tales... he finished the program in record time and is an attorney today - he just needed someone to show hime a different lifestyle  - for that I am grateful - he also went to Lakewood High



 - now STRAIGHT IS A DIFFERENT STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a joke - but at the time I felt it was the only place I had where I felt I belonged with kids my age

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Hello, and welcome to this forum. Please privately email me at rocky93@tampabay.rr.com. I would like to know who you are because I think I know your brother, but don't want to mention last names on this site.
You were 11 years old and made to go into an experimental controversial drug treatment center, and you weren't on drugs. Shame on both your parents and the Seed for taking you.You called the Straight a joke? Indeed it was, but The Seed and straight were substantially the same thing, same people, same program, same everything.

You seem to have one memory, that your brother would be dead without the Seed. How do you know this?  This is standard Seed lingo told to every kid in the program, with maybe the exception of you, maybe even they couldn't lie that much.
I cant even imagine placing my 11 year old daughter in the Seed or Straight. Unbelievable, but then I remember those poor little kids, totally lost and out of place in the strenching warehouse behind tyrone mall,torn from their families, their beds, their dogs and dolls. Then I rememeber myself, barely 14, not having hit puberty yet, enduring abuse and torture and being told, and eventually saying myself, that I would be dead without the Seed.
Bunch of bullshit....and it is way past time to challenge that notion.
Tell your brother to post here also, and I welcome your participation in this forum.

MommaDebi:
Marnie wrote- "I was made to go in myself It was the opinion if one family member goes in....they all go in - I was just a baby - I remember very little - but what I do know for sure! is that this partucular program saved my brothers life!!!" -


 I submit you feel this way because you were so young when you were indoctrinated with the Program's particular nonsense.
 What I want to say is, "Recovery from drugs could have happened for your brother in a different setting".

 It is also interesting to me that you were placed there at the tender age of 11, when my brother who was actively using more drugs than I was allowed to stay at home and not placed into the program.He was only 1 year younger than me. This was a big cause of resentment.
  Of course he was there every time I was able to be there and when I "earned" back my home priviledges.It was very frustrating and I certainly felt singled out and punished unfairly.
 I am truly glad your brother has been able to move on and have success in his life.Not all Exseedlings are able to do so.

GregFL:
The program is a cult, that is why they dragged that poor 11 year old girl in there. The Seed thrived on new bodies, and they would get em anyway they could. Court order, "druggie attitude", Judges sentencing non drug using shoplifters, to the seed, any freaken reason to lock you down in there, they would.
Art had a vision. He believed he was destined to save the country's kids, and he was gonna do it any damned way possible. Fortunately, his ego was bigger than his ability, and the gov't changed horses. Art went back and was allowed to just exist in Ft Lauderdale, but Dupont picked a new horse, one with more Blue blood roots, so to speak, Mel Sembler, and expanded the adolescent synanon experiment concept  almost unhindered thruout the US, until lawsuits, picketers, and bad press finally caught up to them.  The straight WAS JUST A CONTINUATING of the St Pete Seed, people, have no misconception. The only reason the Straight ever existed is because Art Barker started fighting with the people whom made him, started saying publiclly "fuck em, we can do it without them". Well, he couldn't. It took savy business minded folks, our parents, to accomplish that.

Marnie:
I know my brother Roger was court ordered into the Seed because he was ready to die... No other reason - Yes in a perfect world he could have received help in another setting -but my family new we had no time and no options.  Before the Seed, I would walk in on Roger and his firends while he was shooting up whatever drug they could find or steal ( usually from a pharmacy). He could not help himself and I remember in my mother's desperation the Seed was the best alternative at the time.  When he entered the program....basically he never looked back.  He needed someone or anyone to show him the way out...the Seed was that place.  He did not stick around the program.  He got what he could use for himself out of the program - graduated and never looked back.  All he new was a dysfunctional life and this was his way out of the mess.  He was 19 at the time - so at least he was old enough to take what he could out of the program and move on.  I know that the steps and the prayers of the programs (Seed, Straight) were at first based on something good and productive(AA)...but unfortunately both programs took these same steps and prayers and twisted them in a way that hurt many people - My brother is a success story - is that not worth something?

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