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Anonymous:
Have you read any of these posts??!!!  What are we going to say? Yes, one year of mental and verbal abuse and manipulation of parents and kids is OK?  One year of absolutely sham academics is OK? One year of mind numbing cultish brainwash is OK? One year of BS therapy by non-accredited primal screamers is OK? Give me a break!!

Maybe your son turned out great but that is a real credit to HIM.

ottawa5:
To Mr./Ms. Anonymous--

Yes, I have "read any of the the posts", why else would I make my inquiry here?

And thanks for your input, whoever you are, in spite of the tone of your remarks; but surely you realize that you do not necessarily represent the whole spectrum of experiences of those who have been at RMA, or anywhere else, for that matter.  While I appreciate your comments, I would also like to hear from others, specifically those who were at RMA in the later part of the 1990's, in particular on Team Eclipse.

I am interested in hearing different accounts from a  variety of people who were there in that time and context.  I want to hear about what being there meant to different people, absent the supposition that it had to be good, or that it had to be terrible: what helped them and what hurt them in the program?  

Hope it doesn't disturb you too much that people may have different views on these matters. If that is at odds with some kind of pre-suppositions that you assume to be universal, well, that's just one of those things that can happen when people have free will.

And, yes, my son is doing very well; in spite of the exasperation that your post suggests, it's nice of you to note that. I agree that this is indeed a credit to who he is; as well, it seems obvious that his functioning is a result of the opportunities that have come into his life, and what he has chosen to do with them.

My interest is in gaining a better understanding of what sort of experiences can help a person grow to his or her full potentia;.  This is the reason for my question.

shanlea:
First, I wasn't exasperated by your son's progress at all. I have two small children and I'm happy every time I hear of a parent with a well-adjusted child.  I just don't credit CEDU with all of it.

Second, I do appreciate that there are many other perspectives on the program.  But you can't argue with lack of credentials or bad academia (some were padded by the way so they could pass muster later).  You  certainly can't argue with the verbal and mental abuse these raps and propheets engendered, or that ex-staff are in fear of this place. Or that students were traine dto bully and spy... that people with REAL disorders of anxiety, ADD, and depression were given the exact "treatment" to exacerbate the condition.  You can't really argue that CEDU was founded by a nut job on synonon principles.  YOu can't really argue that CEDU didn't unnnecessarily restrict you from your family and isolate you further by shutting down the real world so all the world is a CEDU play.

Nope, I don't understand your perspective. Is it OK for others to have that much control over your kid and BS you to keep you from pulling him out?

I've read from a mixed site that this girl credits CEDU for saving her and she is doing the same stuff she always did pre-CEDU.  I'm also reading many people who caame out of CEDU unprepared to deal with real life and real academics.  THAT IS WHAT CEDU SHOULD BE DOING!! Just screaming at you breaking you down in propheets and calling you a slut because you had sex with one guy is not "preparing you for the real world.   In fact, my team leaders couldn't even keep the stories straight. I was always getting reemed for stuff that didn't happen. In one case, my family head who was an admitted coke addict found out I experimented with drugs and that was it! I was now a coke addict. I don't think he even believed it but he used that fear to keep my parents from pulling me out.  THe funny thing was that I EASILY gave it up months before CEDU and have never been tempted to go back.  My vices are legal: pizza and cupcakes!

Anyway, it is difficult for me to see your sincerity and digging for pearls cast before swine.

ottawa5:
It isn't a big problem for me if you "can't see my sincerity", I don't know you and you don't know me, beyond a few internet exchanges.  But I do appreciate your comments--I'm here for the information, more or less, which I take at face value as representing a specific person's experience. So thanks.

On the basis of what I currently believe, I could actually argue with some (though not all of your criticisms of CEDU) but what would that accomplish? You sound pretty entrenched in your own experience and I'm guessing that your energy does not lie with understanding someone else's at the moment.  

I agree with you fully that the fact that a child is doing well has to do with more than any one program, circumstance, etc. in his or her life. You are lucky to be that insightful when your own kids are small--I certainly wasn't and many mothers I know aren't.

I'd appreciate any particular observations (again positive or negative) from others, in general and especially involving the RMA/Team Eclipse/1990's experience.  My most central interest is the difference that particular staff interactions made in eventual outcome.

Anonymous:
I started to write a detailed argument on how you could still support a school that has integrity issues on every level, along with bad therapy and academics but I realized that after everything already written you seem pretty "entrenched" in your beliefs.

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