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MommaDebi:
Gee greg. i don't know that it was so bad.i am still alive, I read about people that killed their kids all the time...they just tried to kill my spirit...

You know how people always say, If I could only go back in time....never have I said that! Life just gets better for me as I get older and wiser (lol)



My father died several years ago result of his alcoholism and diabetes dual diseases! I had not seen him for some time prior to that (I wrote about it in diff post, I'm sure you'll see it).

My mother and I had come a long way...until I recently found out (Jan) that she has been having a secret relationship,for the last 10 years, with the brother that raped me!!That is truly an unforgivable issue with me. At this time, I am attempting to figure out what type of (if any) relationship she and I will have in the future.

GREG, I do believe that we were in fact  robbed of our youth, our innocence, our trust, our ability to bond with and be emotionally intimate with another person...!I also think the 12 Steps are good things to live by, I do work them, but in a much different manner and much safer place than where we were so brutally betrayed.

I think I do remember Rod,ask him if he remembers me, I worked in the salad area in kitchen under Johnny Whipple. I became good friends with many people there, Ron Hilliard,Franklin, Steven,...

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[ This Message was edited by: MommaDebi on 2002-07-23 11:27 ]

Bigfrank:
After all this time, I don't want everybody to think that I dwell on the past or the seed, but I have been reading some of these posts, and there has been a lot of talk about getting beaten.. I don't remember anyone except for me getting a beaten... I think in one post Greg said that the staff at the seed would send for a seedlings father to come and do the beating if the seedling was getting to out of hand, but I don't remember anything like that... Did anybody on this forum ever go threw that? I am sure nobody ever went threw the humiliating thing that I went threw, I remember when he was whipping my ass with his belt, I was crying and begging him to stop and at one point I said that he wasn't my father and he said, I know I'm not, that if my father had done this a few times then maybe he wouldn't have had to do it... All I could think of was where does this freak get off, first treating me like a 5 year old by yanking down my pants before taking his belt to me, then making comments on how my father should have whipped my ass like this.... I don't think I would recognize him today because it was so long ago, but since I couldn't get him arressted or didn't know how to do it, I sure would love to turn the tables on him, now that I am bigger and see how he liked being treated like a little kid... I notice  a lot of people started in the seed at 14 just like I did, well you can only imagine how I felt being that age and to get "spanked" by a complete stranger.....

FueLaw:
Frank, that is because when they beat someone they would take you in the back offices , away from the group, to beat you. I got my ass whipped by staff on at least three occasions, twice at the old Tropical Park facility, and once after they moved to State Road 84. Once was by a staff member named Mike , who was kind of tall and had light brown hair. The next was by Robert Chun, now mayor of Dania Beach, and a few other guys who whipped my ass, held me down, and let a female staff member cut my hair.



I was 14-15 at the time. Also because I was a little guy they would assign me to bathroom sign in, near the offices, and from time to time shit would happen back there.

[ This Message was edited by: FueLaw on 2002-08-20 15:13 ]

Anonymous:
This is correct. It is not as if everyday someone would get physically restrained or hit or whatever. What happened, at least at St Pete, is that violence was used as a ever present inducemnt to keep you in line.
Thinking about running for the door? Just remember what happened to the last kid; Thrown hard to the floor and 5 door guards piled on and put in a headlock. I remember bloody elbows and screams of pain. Hows that for a deterrent?
Or, feel like acting up in group and telling people to fuck off? A trip to the back "offices" would be in order with a nice compliant misbehavior returning later sheepishly taking his place on second or third row without a peep. What happened to abrubtly change his attitude? Shit-don't know and don't wanna find out..
In St Pete, I believe they had been either decided on their own or willingly had stopped from actually hitting kids (exception-- I witnessed and shamefully participated in roughing up escape attempts) so they would bring the father in to slap around the misbehaviors. This was terrifying to a child. Now maybe the older kids weren't afraid and it was all a big game to them, but when you are 14 (13, 12,11 15,16) this shit is way scary and acutally served its deterrent purpose. It also served to burn a healthy distrust of authority in me.
Not only was violence used, but the Seed handily had the judges and police in their pocket in St Pete, and they were overjoyed to remind you of this constantly. "so you wanna run you punk, GO AHEAD! your stupid ass will be back here before you hit the end of the road, and then we will OWN you for six months"   remember this routine?
The seed sure preached love but spewed hate and violence.

blue morphine:
>>>Not only was violence used, but the Seed handily had the judges and police in their pocket in St Pete, and they were overjoyed to remind you of this constantly.

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