Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Seed Discussion Forum
The humiliating seed!
rossmddn:
i suppose i will tell some of my story here.. never knew big frank, but damn sorry he's gone somehow that affects me too. consider this in memoriam. i have believed for mANY YEARS THAT I WAS UNIQUELY VULNERABLE TO THE SEED. not so, i begin to see. it wasn't until i read a book on brainwashing that i began to see that my reaction to the seed wasn't character flaw in me, but rather a predictable response , physiologic, not mental.
my story such as it is, and incomplete . at age 13, i was lured by a corrupt family physician into a kind of cult.. 'primal therapy" see website janov, arthur.. that cult is based on the voluntary destruction of personality, which i can tell you is exhausting work! then somehow , the seed got hold of me.. call to parent.. he'll be deadinsaneorinjail.. the familiar route(yeah pun intended) in any event thirty years later i begin to learn the extent of the damage, and that it wasn't my imagination. have been dx'd ptsd, as so many of you have been, and still astonished at the level of criminality and sheer malice involved.. hitler jugund indeed! somehow, oddly, so many who post here have retained their humanity in spite of it all.. as an aside, that gives me a foundation for my embrace of catholicism...(hey lady! i never said i was a GOOD catholic.. just that i was one!) others in this forum have mentioned or alluded to psycho-physical symptom, and i wonder how many out there have suffered as have we. i see a consistent thread of ruined relationships, both personal and occupational , and social. i have lived in an adaptive way since then, have a few intruiging quirks,(nothing perrverse mind you, just things like an odd aversion to clocks, like that).. it oddly, also gives me the foundation for my conservatism. in that i believe that each of us is our own best judge, each of us in individual relationship to god , and that the highest value in society is individual well being, no man can be a responsible participant in society unless he is also free to reject it.. forgive the rant, one and all, (i just love diatribe and polemic)(it's a racial characteristic, i cain't hep it!) also too (lousiana vernacular) herein i've read that so many believe that art barker, et al,"had good intentions" or "meant well" god spare me the saints.. i don't buy it.. no mateer what one believes i think it incumbent "first do no harm" if to follow "good intentions requires lying, co-ercion, subornation of witnesses, perjury, planting evidence, day in and day out physical and mental brutality.. well i refuse to believe good or honest intention to big frank and all the others
responses welcome.. to our tormentors many of us look for remorse but that may never be.. forgiveness is a double edged sword, you may have it, but only if you admit that you need it
Anonymous:
I just don't understand how anyone can think the Seed or similar programs were beneficial. I really don't. How can programs that use coersion, isolation, verbal abuse and identity tear down, and cultic practices be healthy? How can programs be helpful if they are fueled by fear and self loathing? especially when the kids that get ahead are the biggest bullies... I just don't see it. Are people who promote the program saying they needed all that cultic mind wash and entrenched humiliation and badgering to "get better."
GregFL:
for the most part, yes they say that. They needed it, or they deny it existed.
Anonymous:
Maybe there should be no jails or mental hospitals either. Let them all run free. Legalize heroine while you are at it. What about prostitution too? They will all learn their lessons naturally. No need to intervene. Don't spank your kids either; it may leave deep psychological problems as well. Viva violence and join more gangs. Should I be red or blue??? :idea:
OK I agree the programs that are out there suck, but how can we restructure some to make a difference? We need something without the abuse.
Anonymous:
In response to the anon who said why don't we let them all run free... Well, the truth is, many of us in these programs should run free because there really wasn't much wrong with us to begin with. I mean, I know I wasn't a druggie or criminal. And I know many of the others weren't either. Some of us did need help. I had very low self esteem and had been through some traumatic experiences. I also was bored at school and had a hard time focusing, but I wasn't "bad". Believe me, I wanted to feel better... but being isolated in a situation where coersion, badgering, bullying, and humiliation reigned supreme was NOT the answer. Neither is living in some kind of program derived world, instead of the real world. And frankly, I don't know who the fuck could say it was.
Even if you were a delinquent. Especially so.
I am a teacher and I have a better success rate than my colleagues with "troubled" youths. Why? Because I look for the best in that person. I take the time to find out their gifts and interests. I treat them with respect and firmness, not disdain. Consequences are natural and logical... but I don't treat them like a shit person for getting a bad score. I don't coerce, badger, and humiliate. The ones who are most difficult to understand, I put more effort into getting to know, and most of the time, I find out there is so much more than what meets the eye, and other teachers are missing out.
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