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« Reply #90 on: March 04, 2005, 05:55:00 PM »
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"The husband I am referring to that had to attend SEED in the 70s is not the same husband working at HLA. That is my EX husband who works at HLA. My new husband was a SEED survivor from Florida, and he already posts at the fornits survivors board. "


Thanks for clearing that up. So what's the difference between HLA and The Seed? Why do you think The Seed was so abusive as compared to HLA? Cause a lot of people would tell you the opposite.

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« Reply #91 on: March 05, 2005, 05:12:00 PM »
DR. ROBERT J. LIFTON'S CRITERIA FOR THOUGHT REFORM
                THOUGHT REFORM: THE PSYCHOLOGY OF TOTALISM
                                CHAPTER 22
                            (Chapel Hill, 1989)
                         THE FUTURE OF IMMORTALITY
                        CHAPTER 15 (New York 1987)

Any ideology -- that is, any set of emotionally-charged convictions
about men and his relationship to the natural or supernatural world
-- may be carried by its adherents in a totalistic direction.  But
this is most likely to occur with those ideologies which are most
sweeping in their content and most ambitious or messianic in
their claim, whether a religious or political organization.  And
where totalism exists, a religion, or a political movement becomes
little more than an exclusive cult.

Here you will find a set of criteria, eight psychological themes against
which any environment may be judged.  In combination, they create an
atmosphere which may temporarily energize or exhilarate, but which at the
same time pose the gravest of human threats.

(BRIEF OUTLINE)

1.  MILIEU CONTROL

    the most basic feature is the control of human communication within
    and environment if the control is extremely intense, it becomes
    internalized control -- an attempt to manage an individual's inner
    communication control over all a person sees, hears, reads, writes
    (information control)
    creates conflicts in respect to individual autonomy
    groups express this in several ways:  Group process, isolation from
    other people, psychological pressure, geographical distance or
    unavailable transportation, sometimes physical pressure
    often a sequence of events, such as seminars, lectures, group
    encounters, which become increasingly intense and increasingly
    isolated, making it extremely difficult-- both physically and
    psychologically--for one to leave.
    sets up a sense of antagonism with the outside world; it's us
    against them
    closely connected to the process of individual change (of personality)

2.   MYSTICAL MANIPULATION (Planned spontaneity)

    extensive personal manipulation
    seeks to promote specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such
    a way that it appears to have arisen spontaneously from within the
    environment, while it actually has been orchestrated
    totalist leaders claim to be agents chosen by God, history, or
    some supernatural force, to carry out the mystical imperative
    the "principles" (God-centered or otherwise) can be put forcibly and
    claimed exclusively, so that the cult and its beliefs become the only
    true path to salvation (or enlightenment)
    the individual then develops the psychology of the pawn, and
    participates actively in the manipulation of others
    the leader who becomes the center of the mystical manipulation (or
    the person in whose name it is done) can be sometimes more real than
    an abstract god and therefore attractive to cult members
    legitimizes the deception used to recruit new members and/or raise
    funds, and the deception used on the "outside world"

3.   THE DEMAND FOR PURITY

    the world becomes sharply divided into the pure and the impure, the
    absolutely good (the group/ideology) and the absolutely evil
    (everything outside the group)
    one must continually change or conform to the group "norm"
    tendencies towards guilt and shame are used as emotional levers for
    the group's controlling and manipulative influences
    once a person has experienced the totalist polarization of good/evil
    (black/white thinking), he has great difficulty in regaining a more
    balanced inner sensitivity to the complexities of human morality
    the radical separation of pure/impure is both within the environment
    (the group) and the individual
    ties in with the process of confession -- one must confess when one
    is not conforming

4.   CONFESSION

    cultic confession is carried beyond its ordinary religious, legal
    and therapeutic expressions to the point of becoming a cult in itself
    sessions in which one confesses to one's sin are accompanied by
    patterns of criticism and self-criticism, generally transpiring within
    small groups with an active and dynamic thrust toward personal change
    is an act of symbolic self-surrender
    makes it virtually impossible to attain a reasonable balance between
    worth and humility
    a young person confessing to various sins of pre-cultic existence can
    both believe in those sins and be covering over other ideas and
    feelings that s/he is either unaware of or reluctant to discuss
    often a person will confess to lesser sins while holding on to other
    secrets (often criticisms/questions/doubts about the group/leaders
    that may cause them not to advance to a leadership position)
    "the more I accuse myself, the more I have a right to judge you"

5.   SACRED SCIENCE

    the totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic
    doctrine or ideology, holding it as an ultimate moral vision for the
    ordering of human existence
    questioning or criticizing those basic assumptions is prohibited
    a reverence is demanded for the ideology/doctrine, the originators of
    the ideology/doctrine, the present bearers of the ideology/doctrine
    offers considerable security to young people because it greatly
    simplifies the world and answers a contemporary need to combine a
    sacred set of dogmatic principles with a claim to a science embodying
    the truth about human behavior and human psychology

6.   LOADING THE LANGUAGE

    the language of the totalist environment is characterized by the
    thought-terminating cliche (thought-stoppers)
    repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon
    "the language of non-thought"
    words are given new meanings -- the outside world does not use the
    words or phrases in the same way -- it becomes a "group" word or
    phrase

7.   DOCTRINE OVER PERSON

    every issue in one's life can be reduced to a single set of principles
    that have an inner coherence to the point that one can claim the
    experience of truth and feel it
    the pattern of doctrine over person occurs when there is a conflict
    between what one feels oneself experiencing and what the doctrine or
    ideology says one should experience
    if one questions the beliefs of the group or the leaders of the group,
    one is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them
    to even question -- it is always "turned around" on them and the
    questioner/criticizer is questioned rather than the questions answered
    directly
    the underlying assumption is that doctrine/ideology is ultimately more
    valid, true and real than any aspect of actual human character or
    human experience and one must subject one's experience to that "truth"
    the experience of contradiction can be immediately associated with guilt
    one is made to feel that doubts are reflections of one's own evil
    when doubt arises, conflicts become intense

8.   DISPENSING OF EXISTENCE

    since the group has an absolute or totalist vision of truth, those who
    are not in the group are bound up in evil, are not enlightened, are not
    saved, and do not have the right to exist
    "being verses nothingness"
    impediments to legitimate being must be pushed away or destroyed
    one outside the group may always receive their right of existence by
    joining the group
    fear manipulation -- if one leaves this group, one leaves God or loses
    their transformation, for something bad will happen to them
    the group is the "elite", outsiders are "of the world", "evil",
    "unenlightened", etc.


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« Reply #92 on: March 05, 2005, 10:43:00 PM »
Spelled Dahlongea wrong, but still so many interesting verifable facts.


http://www.heal-online.org/hiddenlake.htm
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« Reply #93 on: March 06, 2005, 01:09:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-04 09:52:00, SHH wrote:

"The husband I am referring to that had to attend SEED in the 70s is not the same husband working at HLA. That is my EX husband who works at HLA. My new husband was a SEED survivor from Florida, and he already posts at the fornits survivors board. "


ahhhh...yes.  NOW i do remember you from hla.  fat bill was your husband.  as i recall, you're no beauty either (of course that makes no difference, but i thought i'd give robertbruce the heads up on it for his own personal edification).

that being said, i was there and worked with bill gray.  he had much more access than you did, as his office was in the admin bldg and with the door open, i'm sure he heard lots of things.  

i'm still not sure why you claim to have intimate knowledge of how the program worked, because i know for a fact that you do not.  

i was there before the very first kid from pg1 ("rising") arrived and personally did the intake for every kid that came through those doors for the first two years.  

I know what happened there.  you do not.

my suggestion is that you stop pontificating about matters surrounding which you have only rudimentary knowledge (at best).

robertbruce really does have your number.  and it shows.
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« Reply #94 on: March 06, 2005, 01:30:00 PM »
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On 2005-03-05 19:43:00, RobertBruce wrote:

"Spelled Dahlongea wrong, but still so many interesting verifable facts.





http://www.heal-online.org/hiddenlake.htm



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Oh, these folks rock! I can't believe I don't even have a link to them in Anonanon. Thanks, RB!

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David Gilcrease, member of the Gilcrease family that founded Phillips Petroleum based his ?behavior modification? techniques on the research of B.F. Skinner and Fritz Perls who were experimenting with mind control/brainwashing in the 20th century.  He is founder of Resource Realizations, which has been sued along with the Worldwide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS) for mentally and physically torturing and brainwashing America's children.

 

On the board of Phillips Petroleum, Halliburton, and advisor to the Supreme Court is long time George Bush associate Lawrence Eagleburger.  On the board of SkyWest Airlines, servicing and in seeming partnership with George Bush airport in Texas is none other than J. Ralph Atkin, part owner of Teen Help/WWASPS.  President Bush is trying to move legislation that will institute the drugging and behavior modification of children in public schools with the ?New Freedom Initiative?.  The largest Utah-based corporate contributor to the Republican Party is World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools.  

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« Reply #95 on: March 06, 2005, 07:47:00 PM »
Wow, lots going on since last week??  just wanted to stop by and read, i just wanted to touch on one or two things...
thank you, Deborah for that albiet off handed compliment...i actually had done nannying but decided that writing a book will help more people at one time...still in progress sad to say!  i have the links that i don't remember the name gave about the article...have not had a chance to read them and don't know if i will even comment when i do...and lastly the quote below from Deborah,

"Talk about reaction, I still have mine. And they swing from an ache that physically seizes my chest to an internal volcano that would like to erupt all over the facility. Don?t pretend for a minute that you are qualified or justified in evaluating my reaction to this injustice. And don?t ever, ever tell me I have lied or exaggerated. To do so would constitute the ultimate disrespect and/or ignorance on your part."

I am truly troubled by that because if i ever gave you, even for one instant, the idea that i was minimalizine the effect that your experiences has had on your family, or to say your reaction was not 100% justified for your situation then i sincerely apologize, it was never my intent to imply or insinuate.  i would NEVER disrespect your reality.  i do have to say that it is not everyone's reality though and hopefully trying to get that point across does not constitute the above.
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« Reply #96 on: March 07, 2005, 01:27:00 PM »
"I am a rare adult survivor of HLA - I got out IN FEBRUARY 2005,with a little sanity left. After teaching special education for nearly 20 years, I only survived 6 months at HLA. The kids don't feel they can talk to their counselors - maybe its manipulation - maybe not, so they told me things, but I was not in a position to do much except listen without criticizing them and then report safety concerns.ACTUALLY I REPORTED A SAFETY CONCERN TO A COUNSELOR (D.S.) THE DAY I LEFT. IT WAS ABOUT A GIRL WHO HAD JSUT RETURNED FROM A PSYCH HOSPITAL FOR TRYING TO COMMIT SUICIDE WHILE SHE WAS ON "clean air" _ where there is supposed to be extra supervision - THE GIRL HAD CUT SEVERAL MORE TIMES (mostly small stuff)DURING THE 24 - 36 HOURS SHE HAD BEEN BACK AT HLA AND TOLD ME SHE DIDN'T FEEL SAFE AND THOUGHT SHE NEEDED TO RETURN TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL - I TOLD DOUG S. - ONE OF HER COUNSEWLORS ABOUT IT AND HE SAID "WELL, TELL HER TO CUT AGAIN AND THEN WE'LL SEND HER BACK TO THE PSYCH HOSPITAL." They certainly can't tell their parents their real feelings and experiences without being punished for being manipulative by those who are assigned to monitor their mail, email and phone calls. HLA is not the panacea for all teen problems - most of which kids grow out of or learn to use to their advantage in the business world. Some HLA kids need counseling, some need AA, some need psych hospitals; most need love and time to mature - most are there because their parents were MANIPULATED BY ED. CONSULTANTS AND HLA advertisements. Want a GREAT LAUGH? Go to "struggling teens.com/archives/2001/6/visit01.html" this is a site from "Woodbury Reports, Inc." some ed. consultant deal out of Idaho. This site, while only a few years old, certainly did not describe the HLA I just left. The article claimed the campus was attractive - that's about the only info. I can agree with in their entire review. All the "players" names have changed, except Len, who still owns it and seems like a decent guy, only he leaves the "Mice to play" while he does all his other business things and they do whatever they find most convenient (and maybe even sadistically fun). The article says all teachers are certified - try maybe 20%! The site claims all the kids have IEPs - not! Even if they come in with an IEP, HLA does not have to abide by it because they are a private institution. 100% do not attend college! The cafeteria does not over look the lake - maybe they visited on a rainy day! Restrictions kids get less food and water and are supervised by folks with questionable objectives. Most of the counselors are straight out of college with no experience, so they buy into what the administrators feed them about treating kids in a very punitive way and being constantly suspicious, not to mention telling them behavior modification works. It has been proven that behavior modification in humans is temporary at best.PARENTS - DO YOURSELF AND YOUR WALLET A FAVOR - BEFORE PICKING ANY BOARDING SCHOOL, VISIT UNANNOUNCED AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AFTER PLACING YOUR KID IN ONE, VISIT UNANNOUNCED. Refuse to be treated like a mushroom- kept in the dark and fed crap! (Parents need to know when their son has been beaten up by a group of homophobic guys. (Some of the kids who came to tell me their problems were gay and felt they were being discriminated against because of this by their counselors and others.) Parents need to know when their daughter has stepped in big puddles of blood first thing in the morning that were left behind by her suicidal roomate. Parents need to know that group therapy has been shown to be more harmful than helpful for "cutters." THIS IS ALL SERIOUS AND FROM THE HEART BECAUSE I TRULY CARE ABOUT THESE KIDS. "

Posted from another message board, such a testament to the reality of HLA I felt it should be shared here as well.
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« Reply #97 on: March 11, 2005, 07:35:00 PM »
I'm about ready to start a new forum for HLA. What do ya'll think?

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« Reply #98 on: March 12, 2005, 08:06:00 AM »
i think it's a good idea.  this place has lots of money and connections and drives a large part of the tc market.
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« Reply #99 on: March 12, 2005, 12:35:00 PM »
Ok, let's try and keep this topic bumped so that anyone who checks in the next couple of days will find it.

Since you [US "drug tsar" McCaffrey] control a federal budget that has just been increased from $17.8 billion last year to $19.2 billion this year, is asking people like you if we should continue with our nation's current drug policy like a person asking a barber if one needs a haircut? --
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« Reply #100 on: March 12, 2005, 06:18:00 PM »
Ginger, you asked in another thread:
I notice that (Darrington-WWASP)it's very near Hidden Lake Academy in Dahlonega
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... forum=9&99
I wonder if they know each other?

They may know each other, but the owner of HLA has always tried to set himself apart from the used car salesmen in the industry.

Excerpts from a 1995 review at Struggling Teens:

Hidden Lake Academy was specifically founded in 1994 on the theories and principles of child growth and development of Erik Eriksen, Abraham Maslow, John Dewey and others.  :question: [Some would very definitely disagree]

The daily life of the students is full. There is little free time, as is necessary for kids like these who missed some of the basic issues in growing up. Hidden Lake utilizes most of the tools that have been found to be effective in making a positive impact on children who have been oppositional and defiant. The first three stages have a wilderness experience, each one being longer and more intense than the preceding one. Each student has both individual and group counseling, called Realizations, which are focus topics looking especially at the key issues of the stage the student is in. Each stage has a Workshop, a multi-day group experience designed as a culminating activity for that stage. Then of course each student has his/her responsibilities (jobs) which are designed to teach responsibility and allow students the satisfaction that can come from work, as well as seeing that necessary work is done for the smooth functioning of the school.

Educational consultants love to compare and categorize schools, and in conversations I have been involved in, Hidden Lake has often been pointed to as an East coast version of some well known West coast schools. Some even take that further and conclude that Hidden Lake evolved out of the staff and experience of those older schools. Leonard Buccellato is emphatic that Hidden Lake is it's own creation and did not evolve out of another system.  

There are, however, some understandable similarities. For example, Hidden Lake and other schools do work with similar types of students. Dr. Buccellato points out that research and experience have shown that any successful school that works with similar students will have to have some similar elements. For example, for kids with these behavior;/emotional problems, two groups a week is not enough and four or five groups a week would be too much. Consequently, to be effective, any school would settle on three groups a week. [Three days of therapy, two days of academics]  In addition, culminating workshops are most effective about every three to four months to have maximum impact. So, he concludes, any similarities are surface only :question: , and when you look deeper under the surface at Hidden Lake, you will find significant differences from any other schools.

One of the major differences is in program length, which at eighteen months is shorter in duration than some other schools. [It would be interesting to know how many actual leave after 18 months. In my case 18 expanded to 22.] Dr. Buccellato explained this was planned in order to avoid the program dependency some students have developed in other programs. [Dependency is still an issue at 18 months] Therapeutically, the cognitive needs of the child are addressed as well as the emotional growth and development.  :roll:  

Another unique feature of Hidden Lake Academy is its emphasis on staff credentials. Counselors hold a minimum of master's degrees in various therapeutic disciplines and/or come to the Academy with solid experience in the field. Teachers hold baccalaureate or graduate degrees and are certified, some in the area of special education. Teachers and counselors work together in teams to implement the insight-oriented curriculum which helps students achieve the highest level of success possible, both academically and emotionally. [Teachers and staff do tend to be more 'qualified' for their positions, but there is a high turn-over. It would be interesting to know why.]

Len and Rudy [CEDU] taking me through the founding and philosophy of the school, I tend to agree: Hidden Lake Academy is unique and it's own creation. It is not a new configuration of another older system. [It appears that there are more similarities than differences.]

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... sit01.html
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« Reply #101 on: March 13, 2005, 01:24:00 AM »
::bump::

Ginger asked:
I'm about ready to start a new forum for HLA. What do ya'll think?
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« Reply #102 on: March 13, 2005, 11:14:00 AM »
For the record there I never had any individual therapy.
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« Reply #103 on: March 13, 2005, 12:07:00 PM »
hey robert,

i know you posted it before, but when were you there?

i worked there in 1994-5 and was curious as to who was there (staff) when you were there...
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« Reply #104 on: March 14, 2005, 01:52:00 PM »
::bump::

Ginger asked:
I'm about ready to start a new forum for HLA. What do ya'll think?
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