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« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2004, 01:35:00 PM »
"Hey, we agree on something. But, how has it been successful in countries with multiple parties? The people in those countries appear to be dealing with the same or similar issues of living we have here. I vote, but I don't think it's going to help a hole hell of a lot. Whichever crook or stool pigeon gets elected, they are still beholding to corporations, which they or their cronnies are invested in."


Bravo deborah  couldn't have said it better myself, as far as me being president, my life expectancet would be ZERO....I am not a kiss ass and am far too opionated :lol:
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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2004, 01:35:00 PM »
**Thats good I appretiate your sense of humor, but like I said I don't buy into anything the UN says.

Fine, then gather the stats from sources you do respect. Do your own survey or link me to an independent survey that refutes the UNs.

We've been here before. I post something. You say it's invalid but refuse to prove it. That's not a debate Patriot, and resembles the way a politician skirts the issues.
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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2004, 01:37:00 PM »
Please here we go again, sorry I don't buy into it any body can wrap a pile of shit into a pretty survey including me
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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2004, 01:40:00 PM »
There will never be a lack of discord in the UN, get real, at no time will there ever be a total agreement on the issue because there are countries that are in the UN that actually support terrorism and violate human rights on a daily basis as a matter of standard operating procedure. Strong UN leadership, what a crock! Strong leadership would have hammered Iraq about ten years ago.

The UN really needs to pull it's head out of it's ass and see the real world. Instead of using the organization as a country club escape from their shithole countries, they should at least make an attempt to live up to the ideal behind the founding of the United Nations.
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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2004, 01:40:00 PM »
**But alot of a individuals future depends upon them , and not counting on goverment handouts etc

Would you include corporate welfare recipients as well? Can you report how much of OUR hard earned taxes are giving to the poor and how much is given to corporations?
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2004, 01:43:00 PM »
Corporate welfare, you bet include them I hate the idiots that lobby for them on capitol hill and think all lobbying in general should be banned.
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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2004, 01:43:00 PM »
**Please here we go again, sorry I don't buy into it any body can wrap a pile of shit into a pretty survey including me

Including those who put together the survey that convinced you that lazy Americans are standing around with their hands held out? You certainly seem to believe that bullshit.
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« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2004, 01:46:00 PM »
Where have you been, there are a lot of lazy ass americans with their hands out and the sorry thing about it is some are on capitol hill, example...Teddy Kennedy[ This Message was edited by: thepatriot on 2004-06-10 10:48 ]
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« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2004, 01:52:00 PM »
The problem with lazy ass americans on the dole is some of them feel its a life time bennie and not a stepping stone to help them. And the sorry thing about it is that some politicians make them believe this
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« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2004, 02:12:00 PM »
Economist James Tobin proposed in 1972 that the UN be the recipient of a tax of 0.05% on foreign exchange transactions. In 1993, the Ford Foundation produced Financing an Effective United Nations, a report containing recommendations that the UN tax airline traffic, shipping, and arms sales. In 1995, the UN-funded Commission on Global Governance suggested that the UN collect levies from those who use "flight lanes, sea lanes for ships, ocean fishing areas, and the electromagnetic spectrum." Ultimately, of course, the burden of all taxation falls on consumers.

In 1962, the State Department financed a study entitled "A World Effectively Controlled by the United Nations." The report outlined what would be needed for such a total world government: "a mandatory universal membership," an ability to use "physical force," and "compulsory jurisdiction" of its courts. One of the UN's "principle features," stated the report, would be "enforceable taxing powers." (Emphasis added.)

In addition to hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars in foreign aid, our nation has provided the UN with tens of billions more for its programs since 1945. Currently, U.S. contributions make up 25% of the UN's annual budget. But, in his May 2001 speech at Notre Dame University, UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan complained with a typical anit-American attitude, "It is shameful that the United States ... should be one of the least generous in terms of helping the world's poor."

Former UN Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali said of a UN tax: "We would no be under the daily financial will of member states who are unwilling to pay up." UN Founder Harlan Cleveland made the same point in Futures: Rather than relying on "the worn-out policy of year-to-year decisions by individual governments" (about how much to give the UN), "what's needed is a flow of funds for development which are generated automatically under international control." And there would be no Congress to limit the UN's appetite for your tax dollars!

The UN is dominated by socialist, communist, and other collectivist regimes that are hostile to private property, the basis of our freedom and prosperity. Karl Marx wrote in the Communist Manifesto that "the theory of the Communists may be summed up in the single sentence: abolition of private property." Marx continued: "In one word, you reproach us with intending to do away with your property. Precisely so; that is just what we intend."

In true Marxist fashion, the report of the UN "Habitat I" Conference declares that private land ownership "contributes to social injustice.... Public control of land use is therefore indispensable...." Agenda 21, the UN's massive environmental manifesto, envisions a UN empowered to control and micro-manage our planetary environment and the actions of every person on Earth. It says: "All countries should undertake a comprehensive national inventory of their land resources" and "develop national land-management plans." The UN's Assessment would "reallocate" property rights and have "stakeholder groups," instead of property owners, make decisions on private land use.

The U.S. has signed Agenda 21 and has begun implementing the UN's "Wildlands Project," an incredible plan to push millions of Americans off their land to make vast nature preserves out of half of the nation. Also, under the UN's 1988 Convention on Narcotics, the U.S. has adopted unconstitutional "asset forfeiture" laws that allow seizure of property without due process.

Nobel Prizewinning economist, Friedrich A. Hayek, noted that "the system of private property is the most important guaranty of freedom, not only for those who own property, but scarcely less for those who do not. It is only because the control of the means of production is divided among many people acting independently that nobody has complete power over us, that we as individuals can decide what to do with ourselves."
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« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2004, 02:15:00 PM »
The "Sacred" Text

"The protection of Earth?s vitality, diversity, and beauty is a sacred trust," the Earth Charter asserts. However, "an unprecedented rise in human population has overburdened ecological and social systems. The foundations of global security are threatened." Thus, "we urgently need a shared vision of basic values to provide an ethical foundation for the emerging world community."

According to the Charter, we must:

    * "Recognize that all beings are interdependent and every form of life has value...." (Unborn children, of course, are not included in the UN?s definition of "every form of life." The Earth Summit II documents continue to support the UN?s pro-abortion policies.)
       
    * "Affirm faith in the inherent dignity of all human beings." (UN agencies, however, support policies of euthanasia for those determined not capable of living a "quality" life.)
       
    * "Adopt at all levels sustainable development plans and regulations...." (This is a prescription for global socialism in a super-regulated global state.)
       
    * "Prevent pollution of any part of the environment...." (Enforcing this dictum would mean stopping virtually all human activity.)
       
    * "Internalize the full environmental and social costs of goods and services in the selling price." (This seemingly harmless sentence would empower the state to price, tax, and regulate all production and consumption.)
       
    * "Ensure universal access to health care that fosters reproductive health and responsible reproduction. (This is a thinly disguised call for socialized medicine that includes abortion and population control.)
       
    * "Eliminate discrimination in all its forms, such as that based on race ? [and] sexual orientation." (This provision is clearly aimed at criminalizing those who refuse to accept homosexuality as positive and good.)
       
    * "Promote the equitable distribution of wealth within nations and among nations. (Few Marxist documents have put their "redistribution of wealth" program more plainly.)

The Charter includes much, much more. It ends with this stirring exhortation: "In order to build a sustainable global community, the nations of the world must renew their commitment to the United Nations, fulfill their obligations under existing international agreements, and support the implementation of Earth Charter principles with an international legally binding instrument on environment and development."

The Charter will soon be making its way to schools, city governments, state legislatures, teachers organizations, civic groups, professional associations, judges, and law schools. The aforementioned Global Judges Symposium concluded its summit activities by issuing the so-called Johannesburg Principles on the Rule of Law and Sustainable Development. "We recognize," it states, "the importance of ensuring that environmental law and law in the field of sustainable development feature prominently in academic curricula, legal studies and training at all levels, in particular among judges and others engaged in the judicial process."

The judicial symposium was sponsored by the United Nations Environmental Program (largely supported by U.S. tax dollars) and the Environmental Law Institute, one of the principal eco-activist legal groups supported by U.S. tax-exempt foundations.

For the amount of time, effort, and money invested in the Earth Charter program over the past decade, its profile at the recent Johannesburg Earth Summit was remarkably subdued. Apparently, the plan is to orchestrate a global stealth campaign for the Charter among a sympathetic core constituency. As the campaign picks up steam, activists will obtain signatures and public support for this new global ethic from local, state, and national governments, schools, and organizations ? without stirring the suspicions and opposition of churches, pro-life, and pro-family forces. Once a critical mass of support has been built among students, teachers, journalists, and public officials, the Charter will appear to be universally accepted and unstoppable.

Americans can make sure that that scheme does not work by informing themselves and their friends and neighbors about this blatantly diabolical and blasphemous deception

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« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2004, 05:50:00 PM »
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"**My point was that I think it would be a waste of time to debate my ideas with you.



I got that. What I fail to understand is why, unless your intention is not to debate but to convince me to adopt your opinion, which you realize is probably futile. I too, often decide that it's not worth my time and effort to debate with someone who is passionate about their position. Depends on my mood, but whether I perceive them as tactless, insulting or offensive is not how I decide. Notice that we are different that way, and that we are having a debate of sorts. I also notice that you will waste your time to evaluate me, but not debate with me.  



**I can't make you understand what being tactless, insulting, or offensive is. I'm sure you know what it is like to talk to someone who thinks they are right about everything.



Yes I do. I noticed it in how you assumed that you know THE definition of tactless, insulting, and offensive, and that YOU 'can't make me understand'.  No two people are the same in terms of what offends them. If you can't 'make me understand' what YOU perceive as insulting or offensive; if you can't identify what YOUR personal boundaries are for engaging with another; that again is a problem for YOU to work out, if it's important.



**I think you are annoying and I would much rather debate with someone like the patriot.



Thanks for sharing. Feel better since you got that off your chest? Get about debating with Patriot and spare me your ongoing evaluations, as they are of no use to me, whatever your intention.

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Deborah, you asked me to explain something to you in a post so that is what I was doing. I know exactaly what my personal boundaries are, there is no problem there. I don't get why you SEEM to be so hung up on why I won't share my personal boundaries and opinions with you. Who cares??? To be honest arguing gives me a headache. I don't think that I did anything different to you that you don't do everyday on these boards. You called it "evaluating you" I agree with you we are very different and we think very differently. By the way, THE definitions for those words are in the dictionary. Have a nice life :wave:
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« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2004, 11:45:00 PM »
Patriot,
Are the interpretations in parenthesis your's or someone elses?

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Anon, you too.
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« Reply #43 on: June 11, 2004, 12:52:00 PM »
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Kirk Anderson's tribute. Remembering Ronnie.

He tripled the national debt, but he had such CHARISMA!

He supported aparthied, but he was ALWAYS personable!

He supported Saddam, but he made us feel GOOD about ourselves!

He crushed workers rights, but he was someone you could sit down and have a beer with.

Star Wars turned out to be an expensive fantasy, but he had that INFECTIOUS OPTIMISM!

He backed death squads throughout Central America, but he always looked for the best in everyone.

He looked the other way when Salvadorian allies raped American nuns, but he had that SELF-
DEPRECATING HUMOR!

He confused old movies with foreign policy, but he was always QUICK WITH A JOKE!

He traded arms for hostages and diverted money to drug-running death squads, but he never lost his SUNNY DISPOSITION!
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« Reply #44 on: June 11, 2004, 01:31:00 PM »
Deborah, this is a national day of mourning for a man who will be remembered in ways that say more about the person who remembers, then the man being remembered.  I find it profoundly sad that even as you are free to speak your mind, you lack the grace and the wisdom to do so in ways that reflect kindly upon yourself.  

God Bless Ronald Reagan and God Bless America.

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