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Offline pigeon

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« on: April 24, 2004, 02:02:00 PM »
Did anyone else believe the seed line that the staff and truly straight, best seedlings, could see your wrong thoughts and feelings. Or did most of you figure out the whole place was bullshit, while you were in the program and consciously faked it to get by-to get out.
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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2004, 03:52:00 PM »
As a little kid attending open meetings and navigating life in a Seed family, I remeber just thinking it was best to behave asif that were litterally true.


Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto.
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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2004, 04:36:00 PM »
Recently a former staffer, while speaking with a reporter, offhandedly remarked "he even knows what I am thinking right now" while discussing Art Barker.

Creepy?  You bet.

I remember buying it hook line and stinker for a while, that I had received this "gift of awareness" from the Seed. Then I remember hating the place and realizing no one else could tell. On the other hand, I also remember feeling like I was in a race to graduate before they discovered that I was "full of shit" and hated the seed.

this special "gift" we were to receive from the Seed once we got straight and obtained oldcomer status, the "gift of awareness", can be further analyzed by studying below paying particular attention to # 2.



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Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Eight Criteria for Thought Reform
 

Milieu Control.  This involves the control of information and communication both within the environment and, ultimately, within the individual, resulting in a significant degree of isolation from society at large.

Mystical Manipulation.  There is manipulation of experiences that appear spontaneous but in fact were planned and orchestrated by the group or its leaders in order to demonstrate divine authority or spiritual advancement or some special gift or talent that will then allow the leader to reinterpret events, ..., and experiences as he or she wishes.

Demand for Purity.  The world is viewed as black and white and the members are constantly exhorted to conform to the ideology of the group and strive for perfection.  The induction of guilt and/or shame is a powerful control device used here.

Confession.  Sins, as defined by the group, are to be confessed either to a personal monitor or publicly to the group.  There is no confidentiality; members' "sins," "attitudes," and "faults" are discussed and exploited by the leaders.

Sacred Science.  The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute.  Truth is not to be found outside the group.  The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.

Loading the Language.  The group interprets or uses words and phrases in new ways so that often the outside world does not understand.  This jargon consists of thought-terminating clichés, which serve to alter members' thought processes to conform to the group's way of thinking.

Doctrine over person.  Member's personal experiences are subordinated to the sacred science and any contrary experiences must be denied or reinterpreted to fit the ideology of the group.

Dispensing of existence.  The group has the prerogative to decide who has the right to exist and who does not.  This is usually not literal but means that those in the outside world are not saved, unenlightened, unconscious and they must be converted to the group's ideology.  If they do not join the group or are critical of the group, then they must be rejected by the  members.  Thus, the outside world loses all credibility.  In conjunction, should any member leave the group, he or she must be rejected also.  (Lifton, 1989)

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 The seed techiques were never unique and are practiced by cults and destructive mind groups throut the world.
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« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2004, 01:55:00 AM »
I was too terrified to even ask to graduate. When they told me I was off my program at a night session I almost passed out. I knew something made me ill in the stomache everytime we would pull up to the place for sessions. I heard someone else say the same thing one time. I just shut up and got into school and working. Yeah, they fucked my mind up big-time.

668: The Neighbor of the Beast
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Offline Tony Stark

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« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2004, 02:36:00 AM »
That's not fair postman. You into some kind of "game" too? 0 the hero you behave as such. A card. Nothing but a damned fool also.

Speak gently! 't is a little thing Dropp'd in the heart's deep well; The good, the joy, that it may bring Eternity shall tell.
-- G. W. Langford: Speak gently.

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« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2004, 03:10:00 AM »
ok clown...............sshhhh......I was talking to pigeon, not you. :nworthy:

There never was a good war or a bad peace.

--Benjamin Franklin, (1773)

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« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2004, 09:15:00 AM »
?

splain yourself TT, who are you carrying on a dialogue with...


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« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2004, 12:28:00 PM »
I think dude is just answering a lot of older posts in this thread. That's cool.

The German Nazis and the Russian Communists came very close to us in their methods, but they never had the courage to recognize their own motives. The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451524934/circlofmiamithem' target='_new'>O'Brien, the apparatchik

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« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2004, 07:18:00 PM »
sure its cool, buts whos the postman????


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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2004, 06:31:00 PM »
The postman?

I didn't intend for this to take on a political tone, I'm just here for the drugs.
--First Lady, Nancy Reagan at a Just Say No rally

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 08:30:00 PM »
A thiefs biggest worry is another thief. If your not holding the goods any longer then there is nothing to take. Con to con.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2004, 09:39:00 AM »
Damn, this thread contains some confusing ass statements.....


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« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2004, 08:10:00 AM »
I second that.
Anyone else willing to tell me about their thinking process while in seedling land.
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2004, 11:32:00 AM »
I plugged double think into google and found all these listings popped up about George Orwell.  I hadn't remembered it as a phrase he coined I thought I made it up to explain how I both thougth I was happy at the seed( because I had to) but also knew on some level that I hated it.  How I learned to hold two thought two feelings at all times one displayed and one submerged.  

Double think was a term used by Orwell in 1984.
"It doesn't matter what you think but what you double think."  It was basicly a method to control people by preventing clear self knowledge and therefore action.
wierd huh?
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