Lets get real

[Hell on Wheels]

could not have said it better. Remember that some of these kids were very young, I know I was. I have talked to a kid that got sent there when she was 12, and she cannot remember her experience because she was so young. Wish I was so lucky

On 2004-05-15 16:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

""If you allowed yourself to be "mind fucked" then your bad. "



Way to deflect blame onto the victim, asshole. That's the same manipulative garbage that staff would pull all the time. That's like telling someone who got beaten up by 3 thugs that it's his fault because he wasn't strong enough to ward them off.  



Why don't you go home and bow down to your Wasserman statue, prick. "

[former CEDU therapist]

[ This Message was edited by: former CEDU therapist on 2004-08-01 22:46 ]

[Hell on Wheels]

I am so sorry for your loss. I wish that it would not ever have to come to something like that. I was not escorted, but I knew so many kids that were. Just runninig away from the pain and b.s. that goes on I guess, or in my case just a kid looking for a good time. Hell to pay when I got back, but it wasn't too bad, I was still a new kid then. Maybe it is just me, but the only closure I ever want is to see the monsters who perpetuate this darkness to pay. Preferably the same metal anguish that we went through, but whatever works, I just don't want their dirty money, since all a lawsuit does is cut down on faculty hours and increases the price of entrance to hell.

On 2004-05-16 16:42:00, cmpsfty wrote:

"Well, I feel like I just walked out of a rated 'R' Movie.  I think a lot of what is being said on this thread can be said in plain and simple English.  Come on people.  



I believe what the prior therapist revealed about CEDU.  This isn't the first time I have heard negativity about CEDU.



I am concerned about the boy who ran away from a CEDU School.  If this boy was escorted (kidnapped) and take to this school, the last person he will contact is his parents.  All trust was lost if he was taken by "force."  I understand other children have run away from this school.  My question is, "What are they running from?"



I would like to hear from the children who suffered abuse and were never vindicated for what happened to them in the name of help and therapy.  I know these children still suffer.  Pain upon pain is never gain.



Well, I have a lot I could say, but must go to an appointment.



Mother of Michelle Sutton who died while self enrolled in the now defunct Summit Quest Program, Utah.  Cause of her preventable death was dehydration due to exposure to the elements.  Stupid People was all I could say!  How could they treat my child this way?







 

In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws.  But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
--Martin Luther King

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[Hell on Wheels]

another righteous post. My feelings exactly. Although I didn't give a damn about having to get up to do chores, that was no thing, but having to hear from people, that "I know how you feel, I am fighting for you" and then they would go home to their friends and family. God that chapped my ass every time. For most of us we were all we had, and for some poor souls, we were family because they had no family back home. Those kids were heartbreakers, the ones who actually found a measure of safety and family inside the walls. I miss them every day and even though I am far from religious, I pray for them, and hope that their days are filled with sunshine. Ha, talk to parents once a week...... monitored phone calls.... half the time my fucking family was not home (and of course no make up phone call), and they wonder why I never call them now. :flame: gee...

On 2004-05-16 19:23:00, Anonymous wrote:

"What you are saying is so sinister and worng. If you think its right to allow children to talk to there parent's once a week,have non liscened therapist's and these so caled "propheets" then. Kahil Gabran's teahcing's were never to be cruel to other human beings. I was astudent so i know first hand what it was like and you are speaking out of pure ignorance! You are the one who gets to go home after work into your nice bed when all the student's have to get up early the next moring just to do chores! People like you make me sick! :skull:  "

[Hell on Wheels]

[ This Message was edited by: Hell on Wheels on 2004-07-11 00:26 ]

[cmpsfty]

I love it when the survivors of an abusive program, camp or school speak up about the abuse they encountered in the name of "help and therapy."  Keep on talking.  TRUTH heals!!  
After my daughter died, two more children died in the same state (Utah), within a four year period of time.  I attended both trials.  I interviewed some of the kids who were called to testify of the abuses inflicted upon them.  During the negligent homicide trial of one of the kids, I talked with two boys who had been abused in the same program.  They both opened their shirts and showed me their scars from being thrown around and landing on rocks.  These boys were put on the stand and I watched as the defense attorneys used their past to discredit their testimonies.  
I can certainly understand the anger of the kids who were in an abusive program, camp or school and nothing was ever said or done to vindicate them.  But I know that TRUTH does heal.  I prayed for the TRUTH about what happened to my daughter and I was given more TRUTH than I needed.  We did sue, but that wasn't enough.  I wanted to see the industry that allowed my child to die a torturous, preventable death, become what they SOLD to our family, and our daughter, or get out of the business of abusing children in the name of MONEY!
I didn't know of the "window of loss" that exists in this industry that says of each child who dies, "We lost ONE, but we are saving many."  I also didn't know of the "fatal mind-set" that looks upon our so-called out of control troubled teens as fakers, whiners and manipulators.  I think this industry is more out of control and troubled than our youth.
I want you to know, there are people out here who are fighting for laws to protect kids from the same such experience as you encountered.  
The Mission and Goal of the Michelle Sutton Memorial Fund, Inc. is to improve the quality of care in this lucrative industry, while seeing to it that a level of expectation is in place and enforced.  Prosecute the perpetrator.  Fine the entity for the act of those who abused the child.
I hope to see the SURVIVORS of Wilderness Therapy/Behavior Modification Schools have a Forum of their own.  
I think you would be a great moderator.
Keep on talking  :smile:

 

What are politicians going to tell people when the Constitution is gone and we still have a drug problem?
--William Simpson

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"Campsafety is Everyone's Business"[ This Message was edited by: cmpsfty on 2004-05-17 00:01 ]

[Anonymous]

Gees there are some people on here who need to move on.

"I tell you the past is a bucket of ashes, so live not in your yesterdays, not just for tomorrow, but in the here and now. Keep moving and forget the post mortems; and remember, no one can get the jump on the future." (Carl Sandburg)

[cmpsfty]

Who's living in the past.  The neglect, abuse, degradation, starvation, molestation and manslaughter of children all over the country and out of the country is still alive and kicking us in the butts.  It's only the past when something is done to right this terrible wrong.

If you think yourself too wise to involve
yourself in government, you will be governed
by those too foolish to govern.  
--Plato

[Anonymous]

"I hope that most of what you were talking about involves the ex-therapists.... If you are talking to the kids, then you can kiss my ass."

I think you can obviously tell that my post is directed at ex-staff members who come on here and spew some of the venom that they spew and expect people to take them as being credible.

As for you, maybe its time to move on with your life and quit letting the past control you so much. Why were you sent to CEDU in the first place by the way? It is pretty obvious there is a lot of hatred there directed at any opportunity that might present itself.

[Anonymous]

We need to make a distinction here - the therapists were NOT CEDU employees. They were not staff. Therapists were people who went to the campuses to see kids and be helpful. The best ones left pretty quickly. That sucked. They were a corner of sanity...

On 2004-05-17 13:04:00, Anonymous wrote:

" "I hope that most of what you were talking about involves the ex-therapists.... If you are talking to the kids, then you can kiss my ass."



I think you can obviously tell that my post is directed at ex-staff members who come on here and spew some of the venom that they spew and expect people to take them as being credible.



As for you, maybe its time to move on with your life and quit letting the past control you so much. Why were you sent to CEDU in the first place by the way? It is pretty obvious there is a lot of hatred there directed at any opportunity that might present itself. "

[Anonymous]

The Therapists are CEDU employees now and have been for the last several years. Cedu hasn't don the consultation in several years. Each campus has a group of terapists.

[Anonymous]

Wow. I had no idea. Thanks for the info. When I was there, they were separate.

On 2004-05-17 15:10:00, Anonymous wrote:

"The Therapists are CEDU employees now and have been for the last several years. Cedu hasn't don the consultation in several years. Each campus has a group of terapists."

[Anonymous]

i'm on this board almost 10 years after being at Ascent for 6 weeks.  it was a total mind-fuck.  why else would we be seeking this out after all this time?  because it was the worst place in the world.  i have a great life now, "even though" my parents only made me go to Ascent, and i still have nightmares about the shit that went on there.  i have nightmares that i am a teenager again and my parents send me back.  i am 25 years old now, and that place still plagues my mind.  

Cody-when were you at Ascent?  if that is really one of your names, then i think you were in my course group.  just curious.....

[Anonymous]

I must have missed this post. Thank you so much for telling the truth about CEDU and how therapists are treated. We must have been at the same school. I was blown out of BCA because I told the truth at parent conferences, took the side of kids, and chastized staff for diagnoses.

There is some interestimg research on diagnoses.
Severl studies found no relationship between diagnoses and therapeutic results - even if done by professionals.

The fact is, DSM has no value whatsoever except to justify billing to insurance.

What is effective are the elements common to all good therapy - a motovated client with resources to change, a good and powerful relationship with the client/family, and expection that therapy willl work.

What elements are present at CEDU - Just "client factors." Conclusion, The kid changes in spite of the program. He or she grows uo over 1 to 2 years in spite of the program.

Finally these programs are damaging and you tend to see relapse after a few months. Kids leaving program have low social skills - yelling etc. learnerd from staff, flashbacks, panic attacks and PTSD all hiding under a facade, a false self, implanted by the program - in this case - CEDU.

Search Institute for the Study of Therapeutic Change (ISTC). Search in site for "Stale Baloney" and find "What works with Teens". For a complete summary of the research over the last 40 years on therapy outcome see "Escape From Babel." (Miller, Duncan and Hubble, 1997).

Thanks for your exact testamony. I was there and I saw it all. This Therapist is telling the exact and precise truth.

[Anonymous]

Who are all these anonymous staff posting?  As far as I am concerned there were three staff that genuinely cared about the kids at BCA.