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« Reply #30 on: May 01, 2004, 09:50:00 PM »
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, the Anon seems to infer that knowing of PURE or being Paula is a bad thing



How do you see that the Anon is trying to say that "being Paula is bad is a bad thing?" Sounds to me like the Anon is trying to clarify some information.  Spots, do you see that as a "bad thing.""


I'm tempted, yet again, to eliminate anon posting altogether. But I'm afraid it would run off all of the pro Program posters, and then we'd just be preaching to the choir. What fun would that be?

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« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2004, 03:32:00 AM »
I too was suspect of being a PUREist. Not by an anon, but a regular here. I suggested that she sit and watch. There was no way to convince her otherwise. Time will tell who's who.

You said, "I also believe that the industry attracks sadists, perverts and pedeophiles since these children are sitting ducks for every type of abuse immaginable."

I believe this is too often the case.

My ex boarded both our sons when they turned 14. Four years difference in their ages.

The younger son was first boarded at a Baptist military facility then at a high-dollar TBS on the east coast. While at the military facility, he and another midtermer were befriended by an old timer who divulged that he and others had been sexually molested by the dorm director. My son and the other newbie reported this to the administration. The man was working there under an alias, had abused before, and ultimately was sentenced to 95 years. http://www.amarillonet.com/stories/0106 ... ther.shtml
http://www.baptiststandard.com/postnuke ... y&pid=1377
http://www.tjpc.state.tx.us/publication ... 2-4-10.htm
http://www.metropulse.com/dir_zine/dir_ ... _notw.html
And in a double-suicide pact in October at the jail in San Marcos, Texas, accused murderer Kenny Wayne Lockwood (who made News of the Weird in July 2000) was successful, but accused child molester Bradley Wayne Dixon survived.

Damn, I just googled this and discovered that there was another incident at this facility this year. So much for 'background checks' !!
http://www.abpnews.com/abpnews/story.cfm?newsId=4099

Ironically, I had had a 'premonition?' about this. A couple of weeks before he was sent I had a half-sleep image of him being sodomized. This prompted the 'how to be safe' talk. The very day that my son exposed the guy I had an impulse to turn the TV on, something I rarely did. Two minutes later I heard the report and discovered the next day that it was his dorm officer.
I could rationalize the 'premonition'. Knowing what I know it would have been easy for my mind to conjure up that image, it was one of my greatest fears. But I could never explain the impulse to turn the TV on. Bottom line, I'm glad I had the talk with him, which may have kept him safe and motivated him to report what he'd been told.

Conditions weren?t much better at the other facility, despite the hefty price tag that accompanied the deceptive ?therapeutic? title. Their abuse was just more covert. He was not allowed access to a phone, all calls and mail were monitored,limited calories and work details were assigned as punishment, and he was subjected to some of the worst ?counseling? you can imagine. Two years later, he's doing well but still has less spunk and enthusiasm than he did before the experience. He hangs on the edges, doesn?t risk anything for fear of making a mistake, doing it ?wrong?. This a young man who was an A/B student, well like by peers and
teachers, a competitive athlete (doesn?t play sports now),  and very confident. When you 'condition' a person, they eventually treat themselves as they have been conditioned= requiring little external stimus. I do believe it eventually wears away if it isn't reinforced.
He would put his hand out to a stranger and introduce himself with no thought that they might judge him. No more. He doesn?t speak unless spoken to and then very little. They succeeded in damaging his self esteem and confidence, which
was his only 'crime'- his step mother considered him arrogant and defiant.

One would think his dad would learn from his mistakes. He had boarded our older son at a different military facility where hazing was the order of the day. The abuse finally came into the light when a young cadet's throat was slit in the night by two older cadets. They used the same line there, "They're manipulators and will say anything to get out of here. Let us know and we'll handle it. You should not have to worry." My son was diagnosed with PTSD and had a very hard time for five years. He's doing well today, but still has a short fuse.
http://www.lmtonline.com/news/archive/021598/pagea5.pdf (cont?d at)
http://www.lmtonline.com/news/archive/0 ... agea16.pdf
http://www.amarillonet.com/stories/0215 ... .001.shtml
http://lubbockonline.com/news/112597/LD0681.html
http://www.krgv.net/news/arc-20001019.html
http://www.lmtonline.com/news/archive/060300/pagea7.pdf
http://texnews.com/texas97/cadets101797.html
http://www.caller2.com/texas/tex2052.html
http://madmax.lmtonline.com/mainnewsarc ... 598/s2.htm
http://madmax.lmtonline.com/mainnewsarc ... 98/s14.htm

My neighbor's son was killed at Skyline Journey. You can read more about that by searching 'skyline' here at Fornits. This is one of the most revealing articles.
http://www.sltrib.com/2003/jul/07132003/utah/utah.asp

As Ginger says, this has been going on a long time. My mom and her sister were sent to one of Roloff's rabid facilities in the 40s by their  fundamentalist father. My aunt was the 'out of control' one, but it was recommended that both be boarded because they were twins. My aunt remained a 'wild child'. My mom got religion. She recalls the strict, unreasonable policies and filth. One of the girls pass-times was combing lice nits out of each others hair.

My dear friend was shipped to a similar religious facility in the 70s. She ran to Ca and was raped by a trucker along the way. She says the rape was less traumatic than her experience at the facility.

The grandson of an acquaintance of mine was molested at a religious facility in central Texas recently. A lawsuit is pending.

I have nothing positive to say about the industry. I am still waiting to see a 'good' program. It's just damned hard to imagine that such a thing exists.

Rampant talking. When enough cases are brought to the publics attention I do believe most parents will choose against this option.

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« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2004, 12:15:00 PM »
Thank you for all of the information. I'm starting to feel like a walking textbook of information on this industry. I completely agree that there are few if any good facilities.  If the consumers insisted on changes and refused to enroll their children then changes would be made.  The government is also responsible for this abuse because regulations are minimal and enforcement rare.  It seems the only time facilities are completely checked is when a child or staff member dies.  It also seems, especially in Utah, that the authorities are in cahoots with the facilities.  When I reported all of the abuse experienced and witnessed by my child (in writing) to the police they were sarcastic and closed the case within a week without examining or interviewing the dozen children who were reportedly abused. Their parents were not notified.  Many are still their. The supervisor of Child Protective Services still is no sure if they are going to investigate.  It is truly abhorent.  These children should also sue the STATES and each entity for refusing to investigate their abuse. More must be done to protect these children. Letters need to be written to the editors of news papers exposing these things to the public.
These facilities do no abide by any laws or regulations.  My child was put into isolation and seclusion for a week. Others have reported being in isolation and seclusion for six months. This is against the law - Federal, State, International.  It is considered torture. Yet if these children who have experienced this have no advocate to encourage them to report these things to the authorities and the media if the authorities do nothing - then nothing is going to be done to improve this evil industry.
 

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« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2004, 12:51:00 PM »
One way to help is send TAUSA links of abusive incidents in your (or any) homestate.

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... Ahome.html

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« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2004, 12:53:00 PM »
Cherish - I agree the lack of action to your report is appalling; and suggest you now follow up with the Attorney General's Office and any and all other child welfare/education office in the state; as well as any Federal office that might have an interest.
For instance, if they have any special education students and so receive any fed funding, the Department of Education should have an interest.
http://www.attygen.state.ut.us/
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« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2004, 01:04:00 PM »
Q: Whose duty and obligation is it to protect children who participate in outdoor behavioral healthcare programs from abuse, neglect, maltreatment and exploitation?

A: Federal agencies have no authority to intervene in individual child abuse and neglect cases.  Each STATE has jurisdiction over these matters, and has specific laws and procedures for reporting and investigating.

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http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... erapy.html

WHAT IS CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT?

Federal legislation provides a foundation for States by identifying a minimum set of acts or behaviors that define child abuse and neglect.
The Federal Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA), (42 U.S.C.A.), as amended by the Keeping Children and Families Safe Act of 2003, defines child abuse and neglect as, at minimum:


* Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death,
serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation; or

* An act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm

Source:
TAUSA
http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... Ahome.html

Parents who commit their children into restrictive, custodial facilities where the potential for abusive practices is HIGH should be especially vigilant.  Ultimately, it is the PARENT'S responsibility to MONITOR the care and treatment of their OWN CHILD.  

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« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2004, 03:11:00 PM »
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I'm tempted, yet again, to eliminate anon posting altogether. But I'm afraid it would run off all of the pro Program posters, and then we'd just be preaching to the choir. What fun would that be?

Antigen, please don't be tempted. I wouln't want
to see those still under the power of programs or
program parents and who fear retaliation or
being sent back run off either.
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« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2004, 03:19:00 PM »
I know, Tommy. I'm not going to. It's frustrating, though. Registering and posting w/ an alias really doesn't add a lot of risk of discovery. But I have no way of communicating that to ppl who I don't even know exist cause they got spooked and never posted.

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« Reply #38 on: May 02, 2004, 04:56:00 PM »
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"Q: Whose duty and obligation is it to protect children who participate in outdoor behavioral healthcare programs from abuse, neglect, maltreatment and exploitation?



A: Federal agencies have no authority to intervene in individual child abuse and neglect cases.  Each STATE has jurisdiction over these matters, and has specific laws and procedures for reporting and investigating.



Source:



TAUSA

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... erapy.html



WHAT IS CHILD ABUSE AND NEGLECT?



Federal legislation provides a foundation for States by identifying a minimum set of acts or behaviors that define child abuse and neglect.

The Federal Child Abuse Prevention and Treatment Act (CAPTA), (42 U.S.C.A.), as amended by the Keeping Children and Families Safe Act of 2003, defines child abuse and neglect as, at minimum:





* Any recent act or failure to act on the part of a parent or caretaker which results in death,

serious physical or emotional harm, sexual abuse or exploitation; or



* An act or failure to act which presents an imminent risk of serious harm



Source:

TAUSA

http://www.teenadvocatesusa.homestead.c ... Ahome.html



Parents who commit their children into restrictive, custodial facilities where the potential for abusive practices is HIGH should be especially vigilant.  Ultimately, it is the PARENT'S responsibility to MONITOR the care and treatment of their OWN CHILD.  



 :idea:



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Sorry, but your understanding of the nature of federalism as practiced in the USA is deficient.

While there are few federal laws governing placement of out-of-state children in boarding schools, the industry *clearly* involves interstate commerce and thus the Federal Government has the power to regulate it.

Just because the Federal government has traditionally not intervened in garden variety child abuse and neglect cases and has traditionally limited its involvement in education and management of juvenile delinquency, doesn't mean it doesn't have the *power* to intervene.

Under the interstate commerce clause, it *clearly* has that power.  It's not even a stretch.

And ultimately, the federal government is going to have to intervene, because as long as one state had bad laws, all the children in the US are at risk.

So the feds *can* regulate this, they just *haven't*.....Yet.
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« Reply #39 on: May 02, 2004, 05:33:00 PM »
Parents should not have to bring a civil lawsuit to settle the question as to whether a program practiced abuse on their child.  Far too many kids who have been injured, even killed, have been held accountable for their own PREVENTABLE deaths.  States need to be proactive, not reactive.  

Second, there seems to be a general consensus in America that more not less compulsory behavior modification is needed in order to raise a generation of obedient, law abiding citizens.  Since the government's schools have virtually turned into federally-funded prisons, why would anyone be concerned about what's going on in private programs?

Scary, isn't it?
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« Reply #40 on: May 03, 2004, 06:06:00 AM »
I've told a ton of people about this lately - almost everyone I know. I plan on going to my school system and local politcians when I can.

They either say I should tell congressmen (my poor mom still thinks George W would give a damn if I sent him a letter or e-mail :roll:), or that its not real - or that I should stop talking because they are tempted to get a gun and a plane ticket. One poor woman threw up, because of her own abuse she suffered. Others cried. I was one of them.

When people KNOW whats really going on they get as worked up as I did. When the lid is blown off of this their days will be numbered. And its WHEN, not IF. There just has to be some way to get this on the mass media as a big cover story, not just overshadowed by Iraq/middle east crap as the norm seems to be these days.

*Sigh* I need to start sleeping normally again... oh well. Any little thing I could do, any parent I might warn and save just one person... it would be worth it.

Anyone considered making a movie about this? Getting a performer to make a song about this? Does anyone know how to contact MTV? They'd go apeshit over this!
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #41 on: May 03, 2004, 11:01:00 AM »
MTV knows about it. I know they know, b/c I did a long interview with one of their producers last May or June.
Rumors persist that they are going to do a story but so far NaDa.
I actually agree with your mom that you should contact the white house. They may not actually give a hoot - but they need to knows lots of others do.
The White House prefers written communication; so I'd suggest calling and getting the mailing address; as well as Fax numbers.
You might want to consider the First Lady's office. I happen to know her office is looking at this issue; not that I have any idea what if anything will be said or done; but they are looking at the issue.
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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2004, 05:09:00 PM »
Write letters to the editor, email your Congressional Rep, the president, the governor of the States where most of this abuse is occuring (Utah, Montana, Idaho, Arizona)
We've just sent letters to all of the editors of the newpapers in Utah.  I've also been contacted by someone who's doing a story there. This is also a political issue since many of these ownere donate heavily to political campaigns (GOP normally). To Find out if owners and administrators are given political bribes in the form of donations look at opensecrets.org.
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