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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2004, 12:24:00 AM »
After reading probably at one-hundred testimonials from abused former inmates at WWASP programs and the program at Provo Canyon School -I saw too many similarities.  The abuses and the punishments are the same. Isolation for days at a time - sitting and staring at a wall - a torturous isolation room specificaally constructed for human suffering - beatings, forced druggings, dangerous and damaging human take downs, sadistic staff who laugh while inflicting punishment.  Once I had read all of these testimonials from children age 12 to adults in their 40's I realized that these stories must be true.
Through more research I discovered a link between PCS and WWASP - the FOUNDER of WWASP got his start at Provo Canyon School. While he was there - directing staff - the school was shut down temporarily for cruelty to children and abuse.  After learning the ropes from the first notorious and abusive behavior modification program he went out and started his own empire of abuse and sadistic torture.  I choose to believe the SURVIVORS of these programs.  I saw the bruices on my child's body, I've seen the Xrays of her injuries. I know how dangerous large dose of chemical restaint are.  I don't know who all these annonymous people are - they could be some of the numerous relatives of the wealthy Lichfield/Kay/Farnsworth clan for all we know.  

I saw the Passion of Christ.  While he was being flogged the guards laughed and were obviously enjoying his suffering and pain.  This is how some of the staff are.  It's common knowledge in the industry - sadists and child abusers and pedeophiles are attracted to these programs.  When staff were humanly restraining and drugging my child while she screamed in terror, agony and protest they were laughing and smiling.  Those FUCKERS were enjoying themselves!(Sorry if this offends - but I can't think of a more civilized word to describe them)
Institutionalized child abuse must end in our society. All WWASP programs must also end including Provo Canyon School.  They are all abusive.  The government of Utah should be ashamed for allowing this racket to continue.  

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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2004, 12:32:00 AM »
Please provide a link or where to get the over 100 testimonials from the abused WWASP and PCS students.
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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2004, 01:31:00 AM »
I don't normally respond to those who are annons - because they may work for or otherwise support an abusive mind control cult program. I can't believe you are serious!  Do you know how to search on your computer?  There are thousands of web sites, survivor sites and articles.  Here are a few for those who are interested in the Gulags that torture America's children:

http://www.teenliberty.org/Torture.htm
http://www.beyondbusiness.net/childtortureusa.htm
http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/shalala.html
http://www.nospank.net/msgulag.htm
http://brutalitybay.blogspot.com
http://www.isaccorp.com
http://papmugz.tripod.com

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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2004, 01:32:00 AM »
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"Please provide a link or where to get the over 100 testimonials from the abused WWASP and PCS students.  "


Yes, please do Cherish Wisdom.  Not withstanding your other allegations, this alone suggests you are pivvy to information not readily available to the public.

What gives??
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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2004, 01:38:00 AM »
http://www.teenliberty.org/Torture.htm
http://www.beyondbusiness.net/childtortureusa.htm
http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/shalala.html
http://www.nospank.net/msgulag.htm
http://brutalitybay.blogspot.com
http://www.isaccorp.com
http://papmugz.tripod.com

"In extreme situations when human lives and dignity are at stake, neutrality is a sin. It helps the killers,not the victims."

there are some excelent links at
http://students.washington.edu/heal#teen
http://teenliberty.org
http://students.washington.edu/heal/sign.htm
http://beyondbusiness.net/index2.htm
(see message boards and guestbooks)
Also there is a link to another message board on the "Desparate Measures" Rocky Mountain News site - found at the students.wash... website.  

If you seek you will find.  

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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2004, 01:50:00 AM »
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http://www.teenliberty.org/Torture.htm

http://www.beyondbusiness.net/childtortureusa.htm

http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/shalala.html

http://www.nospank.net/msgulag.htm

http://brutalitybay.blogspot.com

http://www.isaccorp.com

http://papmugz.tripod.com



"In extreme situations when human lives and dignity are at stake, neutrality is a sin. It helps the killers,not the victims."



there are some excelent links at

http://students.washington.edu/heal#teen

http://teenliberty.org

http://students.washington.edu/heal/sign.htm

http://beyondbusiness.net/index2.htm

(see message boards and guestbooks)

Also there is a link to another message board on the "Desparate Measures" Rocky Mountain News site - found at the students.wash... website.  



If you seek you will find.  

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Are these sworn testimonies?
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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2004, 01:50:00 AM »
So, Cherish Wisdom, you haven't actually spoken to these people?  You've read these links?  You aren't as smart or enlightened as you think you are.  Try again.
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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2004, 01:55:00 AM »
Sworn testimonies, if any of them are, won't wash either.  I'd be more interested in convictions in a court of law.  Anyone can say anything in a sworn testimony.  Hell,  "sworn" testimonies from certain individuals have changed to fit the allegations many times.  Show me where WWASP has EVER been found guilty?  What the hell is your purpose for posting here all of a sudden.  AND all of a sudden you are an expert?
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2004, 07:55:00 AM »
And many people who are guilty are never charged with their crimes. I imagine W and others could go a very long time without actually being charged with anything because the abuse is so covert. Many aspect of the industry are abusive but condoned by many.
A parent would be wise to read everything and ask in-depth questions. Very specific questions and hold the programs feet to the fire. Without a doubt, they lie to and manipulate parents, to avoid attrition. It is their livlihood. There is a definite conflict of interest.
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« Reply #39 on: April 28, 2004, 09:41:00 AM »
// I'd be more interested in convictions in a court of law. //

Me too Pal. And I do believe we'll see the day when we have much to take interest in.
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« Reply #40 on: April 28, 2004, 09:59:00 AM »
Anon, I don't know about all that. I do know that I've been reading and hearing a lot of the same complaints about WWASP since like 1998 or so; long before Scheff ever even sent her kid to a WWASP program.

But you still haven't answered my question. It's not one that can possibly get you into legal trouble or anything. I'm just interested in your opinion.

Of the 232 signers so far, how many do you think are just helpless puppets of Sue Scheff?

What about me? Do you think I'm just duped by Sue Scheff and that's why I have concerns about WWASP? That would be funny cause I've read over and over again how I'm duped by a clever ploy by WWASP and that's why I'm critical of PURE.

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« Reply #41 on: April 28, 2004, 10:03:00 AM »
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"Sworn testimonies, if any of them are, won't wash either.  I'd be more interested in convictions in a court of law.  Anyone can say anything in a sworn testimony.  Hell,  "sworn" testimonies from certain individuals have changed to fit the allegations many times.  Show me where WWASP has EVER been found guilty?  What the hell is your purpose for posting here all of a sudden.  AND all of a sudden you are an expert?  "


It was nothing to do with a Program, but I was raped, a long time ago.

I never reported it because the abusive sick f*ck was someone I was in a long-term relationship with, and I was afraid for my life to leave that relationship.  There isn't a lot of help out there for abused teenagers when the abuser is smart enough not to leave marks, and the parents of the abusee are so in lala land that they wouldn't understand the very real threat to the teen's life.

Also, I was mentally ill and insufficiently medicated.  Look at what Kobe Bryant's accuser has suffered---people cite her being mentally ill as a reason she *must* not be telling the truth (there are other problems with that case, okay, but still)--it's as if in our society, if you have a mental illness, hey, it's okay to rape you.

Anyway, I never reported it, much less doing a sworn deposition or getting the guy convicted in a court of law.

But he's *still* a rapist because he raped me.

Most other women I know who were raped never reported it, either.  They knew the rapist had done a good enough job of planning the crime that there wouldn't be enough proof to get a conviction.

Most child abuse is never reported, either.

I have *no* difficulty believing that when these places abuse kids, they're adept enough at covering their crime to avoid conviction, and in almost all cases to avoid there being even enough proof to lay charges.

They control the crime scene.  And all their victims are discredited in advance, merely by being in their hands in the first place.

You sound like someone who has a personal stake in  defending these programs.

I'm not buying it.  And the more smoke there is, the less people in the outside world buy you guys' story that there's no fire.
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« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2004, 10:22:00 AM »
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Excerpt: http://www.house.gov/georgemiller/shalala.html

As you may know, I have had a longstanding interest in this issue, particularly regarding the misuse of funds under Title IV-E of the Social Security Act. I was the primary House author of P.L. 96-272 which established the federal government's current foster care payment and monitoring standards in 1980. I also led an investigation of the treatment of California children in out of state placements in the mid-1980s in which the DHHS Region IX determined in 1986 that California was improperly seeking reimbursements for children placed at a detention facility, Rite of Passage, located in the state of Nevada. Payment for such a placement in a detention facility is clearly unlawful under P.L. 96-272.

As a result of my inquiry and the GAO review, DHHS disallowed the state of California $451,325 which had been claimed for inappropriate placements in a detention facility, a decision that was upheld by DHHS's Grant Appeals Board on June 2, 1988.


I don't think Sue is any older than I am, maybe even younger. That would make her around 16 when she started working her diabolical scheme on Rep Miller here. Maybe I'm not giving her enough credit, huh?

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« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2004, 10:53:00 AM »
Ginger, the truth about Rep. Miller is he has been after the teenhurt industry for years, most recently seeking to amend legislation following the boot camp torture death of Anthony Haynes.  Somewhere on his website is a press release about that incident and his proposed amendment which I believe was passed.  Miller is the Congressional Rep for Northern California and most likely was contacted by one of his constituents with an interest in or connection to the WWASPS/PURE saga.  

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« Reply #44 on: April 28, 2004, 11:15:00 AM »
Of course, my comments were tongue in cheek.

I think the anon poster probably believes what they're saying. I know my dad believed w/ conviction what Straight told him to believe. It wasn't until years later that we were able to talk about it and conclude that it had been a grand scam. The reason why we couldn't talk about it was that he would get just outrageously angry; the kind of rage born of guilt that some men tend to exhibit; every time a conversation wandered anywhere near the issue of what was so messed up about the Program.

He really believed that I was just trying to manipulate him. It was an article of faith. He'd learned well that every time you feel that particular variety of cognative dissonance that surrounds any threat to the ideal of the Program as Good, it owed back to the kid is bad and treacherous and angling for something.

Never mind that I was grown, supporting myself, starting a family and didn't ever ask him for anything. It was a conditioned response.

Now, anybody who's taken just a little time or a lot of time to look into what's what w/ the troubled parent industry might be incredulous over the suggestion that all criticism of WWASP goes back to one person who never even got involved in the industry till a couple of years ago. But I think this Anon might actually believe that to be the case.

Mind you, I'm not trying to convince the Anon poster. Just pointing out to the uninitiated a clear example of the depth of self delusion that often occures under these circumstances.

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