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Thayer Learning Center in Kidder MO
Anonymous:
I visited the Thayer Learning Center in 5/05 and found it to be well supervised with adults. The
kids that were in classrooms were clean, very orderly, alert, and well, physically and emotionally. As a teacher, I can sense when things aren't right in a classroom, and there
was nothing to indicate that anything was wrong.
I think Thayer is staffed with people who are genuinely caring people and probably the last bastion between these kids surviving to adulthood and their self destruction.
Nihilanthic:
Thayer is one of those fear/intimidation based boot camps, isnt it? I have a hard time accepting that someone who sadistically breaks down children emotionally, humiliates them, and them physically pushes them to their limit, if not just outright beat or "restrain" (with pain compliance techniques derived from Juu Jutsu, which is used in Ultimate Fighting championships... not appropriate for kids!) them and control them all day long to complete the helplessness loves and cares.
Its sadism and breaking their will, through and through. And, if you think the mental state they are in isnt facilitative for brainwashing, then you need to go to a psychology class.
Also, regarding the most recent anon post - What you're going to see on a visit is a dog and pony show, if the program is abusive! They're not going to let you see it if they're smart at all!
What you 'sense' has a lot to do with the signals kids give off. Terrified-of-showing-wrong kids trapped in a program who have no way out are not going to show it.
Oh, and to degress, what you've said *REEKS* of a press release or a canned responce.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
--Plato
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Anonymous:
just to fill you in,I've visited there once announced, and later 30 minutes unannounced. Both times were good, nothing unusual going on, and seems like a very well organized place. My point is, you sound like another extremist, who has never been there, who sits around on forums offering your advise, when in reality your credibility is zero. If you have a true purpose of your post, why don't you get off your dead butt and go see. Talk on this forum is cheap, from extremist who have lots of time on their hands, and really demean the forum. I think programs like this, yes, very diciplined, are a good approach to some youths. The diciplined received is a result of the choice the student decided to make, and knew of the consequence. Yeah, it can be rough, but I don't think its brain washing or abuse. If you think about it in reality, when you make really bad choices, you pay the consequence as well. If you murder someone, you probably won't be sitting there on you butt explaining your view of the world, you'll be in the pen. Some kids need a wake up call, and this is a good method to get them on the right track. What hasn't worked in the past, perhaps fault of parent or kid, no longer matters. The outlined methods of the program is proven to work to over 250 graduated students, only of which you have a couple complain and post anomyously. Do the math. Might not be your method, but then again, your preaching your views on boards like this. Why don't you go see for yourself instead, then you'd KNOW what your talking about, instead of just talking. I'd be interested to know your philosophy after that. The mom's and people that post here have pulled their kids out early, regret it, and use this forum as an avenue to blame someone else for their problems. The kid probably learned that as well from them, thats why they went there, and the parent couldnt deal with it and let the program work. I have yet to see any post from a parent who's kid graduated from the program, that regretted it. Not rocket science, is it?
Nihilanthic:
I dont have the money to just travel and take time off to do so all willy nilly because you claim to have gone to a program. Pony up the dough or shut the hell up!
People can lie, and youre a person, as far as I know.
Bottom line, "disciplined" is just dodging the issue of the way that they work inherantly. Saying "its rough" but not actually saying what is jsut vagueness and doging! Quit using the damn emotional appeals and saying "unpleasant = good for 'em" and provide some facts. Also, please stop typing your responces as if youre giving a press release. YOURE speaking anonymously, mr individual.
I'd only go if I could see whats really going on, posing as a 'student' or as a staffer. I have NO interest in a dog and pony show.
Furthermore, a kid DIED there. Thats inexcuseable period, especailly under the circumstances.
But, I degress, youre giving off classical programmie bullshit here, such as
--- Quote ---The mom's and people that post here have pulled their kids out early, regret it, and use this forum as an avenue to blame someone else for their problems.
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I think its funny how we accuse it of being brainwashing, and those who dont go along 100% hate it, and those who do fully just looove it.... especially when we're only seeing a tiny ass percentage of the popualtion, what you say and we have to trust, and you use emotional appeals that basically are like tough/hard/disciplined is GOOD for the little bastards, isnt that what you wanna say?
I have no way to know youre speaking the truth one fucking iota, and the way you speak REEKS of being a programmie. YOUR credibility is zero, youre defending something with a vested interest - Im looking out for children, and when a kid comes out dead from a secretive program that reeks of being one of those break-down based bootcamps (which IS NOT THERAPY AND TEACHES NOTING BUT FEAR) Im going to stand up and talk about it.
So, again, prove what you say, or pay for me to go there, if you even want me to see it - which you cant, and wont, do.
When he [Califano] claims that the voters of Arizona and California did not know what they were voting for when they supported the two initiatives, he reminds me of the way Serbia's President Slobodan Milosevic reacted to recent election results in that country.
-- George Soros -- Sunday, February 2 1997; Page C01 The Washington Post
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[ This Message was edited by: Nihilanthic on 2005-06-29 17:49 ]
tlcrescue:
uh, hello, they dont even have teachers! it is self-taught instruction through home school books. And, if you had toured the school, you would know that!
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