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« on: April 12, 2004, 12:35:00 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2004, 11:07:00 AM »
I went to BCA from 95 til 97 and RMA from 97 to 98.

I graduated the program.

Went to college, graduated, and now work for a living.

All that said and done, I still do not have many nice words to say about the schools.
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2004, 01:42:00 PM »
By the way, if anyone wants to hear stories or has questions, give me a nudge and I will throw down some posts.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2004, 04:57:00 PM »
nudge.

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2004, 08:19:00 PM »
To start off I would like to say that I never felt like attending cedu affects me still today. I pretty much put it past me and went on to bigger and better things.  

I felt that college was a bit harder than it should have been due to the poor academics there.  I of course chose to go into a major that was something I was interested in (Electrical Engineering) and of course cedu's academic program in no way shape or form prepared me for what was required.  Fortunatly school never was difficult to me so I picked things up rather quickly and did quite well (if you dont count first quarter freshman year).    

I also don't feel like I was treated terribly bad there.  I saw a lot of stuff that was messed up and quite frankly completely innapropriate for the type of program they are.  This included a lot of staff members that I now know were not qualified for that type of work.  Numerous ones even admitted they had no experience.  Some staff though I felt like they generally wanted to help, which leads me to my first story.

When i first got to BCA in september 95 or whenever I was placed on the Wolf Team headed up by a guy I came to respect (didn't care to much for him in the beginning though).  As time went by there, maybe almost a year or so, it became apparent that he was one of the few staff that really cared about what was going on.  There were a lot of staff members that acted as if they got off on getting angry at kids.  I remember a guy that left shortly after I got there (a few months or so).  He was a psychologist there and he was known for going berserk in raps, I mean jumping up out of his chair and yelling at the top of his lungs at you all sorts of profanity and then going back to being calm.  It gave the appearance of total fakeness, he wasnt yelling at you because he cares, it was his systematic way of holding these rap sessions.  I don't recall ever being the brunt of his out bursts but based on this I could tell he was a dick and I didn't like him.  Anyway back to the point.  My team leader was a great guy and at this point I could sense the tension between him and the staff members.  A lot of the people on the wolf team were my friends and we all kind of came from the same genre of thuggish acting punk kids.  I guess dealing with the hard cases was his specialty because there was a lot of us knuckleheads on his team.  But later I got the gist that they (other staff and administration) were getting on him for being "too lax" with us.  He let us get away with being kids and goofing off but we respected him and stayed in line (for the most part) becausae he bothered to earn our respect unlike other staff who demanded it because they can power trip on you and yell more profanity at you than 10 episodes of def comedy jam.  But to summarize things one day he didn't show up to work and we were of course suspicios due to the circumstances of what was going on with him and the "system" (those were dr evil quotation marks by the way) at the time.  They of course told us that they came to a "mutual agreement" that it was his time to move on (gee sounds a lot like how they do it in corp america right? trust me, I work in it).  They then split us all up into different teams and had house raps to talk about all the wonderful stuff and things.  I later approached a staff on the old team about the fact that i know he was fired, of course all I got in return was a blank stare proving I was right.  But the moral of the story was that a good guy was fired from there with the total situation being blatantly honest to everyone (students and staff) because he didn't fit the corrupted mold they had going on there, only to leave the staff that really needed to take a hike able to move up in the chain of command.

Shortly after this incident I was transfered to RMA..... /SARCASM ON gee, sure didn't see that one comin'/SARCASM OFF

Enough typing for now, the way-back machine needs a rest.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2004, 03:01:00 AM »
Was your team leader Rob Lo?
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2004, 09:12:00 AM »
No it was Mike Bonner.
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2004, 11:37:00 AM »
"Tell it all brothers and sisters, tell it all" ha ha ha ah
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2004, 12:42:00 PM »
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""Tell it all brothers and sisters, tell it all" ha ha ha ah"


When I get off from work I will write some more.  

Currently dealing with the slew of Windows vulnerabilities released yesterday.  Joys of managing the IT infrastructure for a fortune 500 company.
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2004, 06:39:00 PM »
Let me try to summarize my cedu stay the best I can.  It happened in 3.1 sections.

Section .1

Arrive at cedu.  I wasn't escorted like a lot of people I know, thank god too.  After hearing about how some of those guys drag you out of your house, talk about excessive.  Although a buddy of mine had a pretty good time with the escorts.  Pretty much sat in the back seat pestering them the whole trip with things such as the are we there gimmick.  He tells the story much better.  

The school was described to me like it was a summer camp basically and didnt really seem all that bad.  I mean it has rules but what kids my age follow the school rules right? WRONG! When i got there I was blown away.  Every kid there seemed like a zombie to me and I was kinda freaked out by the mass amounts of hugging and whatnot going on.  Definatly a different world for me.  

To try to see what the haps were on the place I started talkin to folks (some were forced upon me by staff to give me the "things are so cheery here!" bit).  Whenever I asked about the types of music people listened to I was introduced to a phrase called "popping off", ummmmm ok.  Evidently popping off describes the act of discussing or singing out of agreement music.  Out of agreement, it seemed to me like every thing was out of agreement, talking about girls (hey I was 15, give me a break), not making beds, cleaning, talking to certain people.  Defenition number 2: bans, which is the process by which people arent allowed to talk to certain types of people.  Example, I have quest down bans.  

What?  

I was then introduced to the different levels that you achieve as you progress on in the program.  I forget what the "proper" term was for them.  At this point I was ready to say the hell with it and take off.  So I did.  My third day there I took off during team chores.  I went up in the woods and wondered in the direction that seemed most logical for Bonners Ferry to be located (didn't pay well enough attention on the ride up I guess).  Well, I managed to miss Bonners Ferry and ended up bout halfway to Sandpoint when a bounty hunter picked me up.  Meet Chuck Selent.  Evidently a pretty tough hombre as I come to find out.  He grabs me and I slugged him a good one in the jaw and he didn't flinch.  Ok my bad, won't do that again eh?  I am then places in handcuffs.  It just happens to be that the place I got picked up was right near Naples, not so far from Ascent.  In the car I was given the ultimatum of going back to BCA and being on a "full-time" or going to Ascent.  You know, full-time, that thing you do where you sit at a table all day and do kind of odd writing assignments and do work all day while you arent allowed to speak to anyone, yeah thats the one.  Hell I knew of a few people that were on fulltimes for months at a time.  I don't understand how this is worth what it costs each month but the staff there seemed to think it did some good.  99% of the time all it did was give kids enough time to accept the fact that the only way they will get off the ting was to suck it up and kiss-ass and act like you are a born again cedu-staff-wannabee.  I was pretty anwry at the time so I said a few choice words and off to Ascent it was.

Driving up to ascent was fun, felt like I drove into the set of Deliverance but fortunatly that wasnt the case.  I was dropped of at the logistics cabin where I was strip searched, told what the rules are and whatnot.  I know a lot of the Ascent staff have been known to just yell at kids for no reason and whatnot, I witnesses quite a bit of it, but in this particular case I deserved the yellins I got.  I wasn;t the most friendly person when I walked into the place.  To make it a short story I got into a scuffle with staff and tried to dart off (and ended up tripping over my boots because they took my laces, good for them because I ran track).  Ended up staying my first night at ascent wearing nothing but underwear in the center of the circle in a sleeping bag in september in the rain.  I had to eat my dinner out in the rain as well, which isnt so pleasant when its pouring.

Ill finish up the Ascent portion next post.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2004, 07:12:00 PM »
I think the term "agreement" is used the same way as in the Elan program. I wonder how many other similarities there may be.

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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2004, 08:01:00 PM »
Which good employee that they fired was it? If it was when I was there it would have been Greg, Cowboy Bob, Wendy and a few others who were not therapists. Cowboy Bob got canned for complaining to the state about the "jumpsuits." After they fired him the State actually did make the staff get rid of them and re write the "propheets" - now called "workshops." they just wrote new scripts and kept doing the same shit - with less sleep deprivation.

They are and always were useless. Every time they were done the kids would rave about them in front of the staff, then come to my clinical office and tell how phoney, idiotic, infantile, chiche and stupid it all was and how the staff acted like they were crowned with glory while the kids held back laughter.

I too had many moments of "easy stomach" nausia at those staged coming out of propheet rituals. "Like La, you were so Awsome." "Boo Hoo I can't believe how you went for it in there." Then God the Mormon come up and tells all the converts to "take it easy with thse guys" - "go slow around them." Yeah, while we scream at them.

What a scham !!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2004, 08:35:00 PM »
the good employee fired was mike bonner

as far as propheets are concerned they were just a chance for me to be full of crap and do what it took to get through them.  the breakdown of the propheets is as follows

Truth:
This was mega stupid.  I heard a lot of things about people that I would rather not hear.  This was the emotional growth session where you were supposed to address your "disclosures".  Disclosures defined as things you have experienced in life you generally feel bad about.  For me it was no big deal because I didn't feel particularly bad about to many things.  I mean all I was ever guilty of was acting like a troublesome teenager.  I never had some horrible act under my belt.  Pathetic part about this was how out of proportion staff got with things.  If you had sex with a guy and you were a girl you were called a slut and had some pretty profane things yelled at you.  I heard staff yell things at teenage girls that would get them arrested outside of BCA.  Terrible stuff, they also got in pretty graphic detail when talking about such things.  If the staff didnt feel like you got all your disclosures off your back they would pester you call you "chicken shit" and such.  I ended up making stuff up to get them off my back.  I was credited with "doing my work". Whatever, I was doing what it took to get this thing over with.

Childrens:
Getting in touch with your inner child.  This is where you are supposed to A: Feel bad by thinking about how you "destroying your inner child" with your actions or B: get mad at your parents for supposedly destroying your inner child.  Whatever, move on.

Brothers:
Your friends really arent your friends.   I don't fully understand cedu's definition of a friend but evidently its someone you are constantly expected to berate in raps and nag constantly about emo stuff.  You just weren't being a good friend if you didnt yell at your buddy in raps.  BTW the definition I heard of a friend seemed to change weekly.  One day I hear I am being a good friend, the next day I dont.  Blah, I give up.

Dreams:
Pretty much slept through this one. Hah :wink:

I want to live:
I liked this one because you got to wrestle around with your buddies and break stuff and not get in trouble.  Once again like all propheets you were expected to talk about your feelings, get told they are bullshit and let staff tell you your feelings.  Girls are once again sluts, if you even tried a drug oncce you were a dying addict, if you got angry you were going to be murderer when you got older, etc. Pretty routine by this point, seeing a patern yet?

Values:
This one wasn't so bad, mine was devoid of a lot of the dumb stuff usually found in propheets.  Most likely due to the fact that mine was ran by a decent guy.  Unlike most staff who I think jump at the chance to be in a propheet because they enjoy whatever game it represents to them or move up on the emotional growth staff chain of command.

Imagine:
Now this one I really did get a kick out of.  For about I guess the first 12 hours of this thing you are sitting in a room having the staff ask you questions that have no point and go in circles, argue with everything you say, screw with you repeatedly.  I mean this thing is rediculous.  This was the first propheet I had with my RMA counterpart peergroup.  Boy were those guys good at the game, they had the whole routine down to a T, the crying, the indictments, the self realization, etc.  A buddy of mine told me about this part so I pretty much kept silent until it was over.  I did have an outburt with a staff where I mocked the situation but after they figured out I wasn't going to break down and cry like everyone else I was simply written off as being dishonest with my feelings and we moved on.

The next two activiteies were I and Me and the Summit.  Now these two things are filled with the most rediculous activities, verbal ridicule, and mental abuse.  The summit is basically 5 days of telling you you are a piece of shit and the 5th day you are supposed to celebrate because you are now super, thanks for asking.  Of course I came out being all happy and what not, part of it was the upper school look-good requirement and the other half was that I was happy as hell I was done with all that nonsense.  It truely did feel good to be out of the summit, it meant i never had to do one of these stupid exercizes again.

What got me the most in all these experiences was how the "power staff" appeared to take it so seriously.  I mean their dedication to carrying out these rediculous and innaproprate sessions was way past the point of fanatical.  A lot of staff exhibited behavior that I just cannot condone no matter how it is rationalized to me.  They acted rediculous and abusive, period.  Nothing gives them the right to say the things they did and the worse feeling was that you couldn't speak your mind or put some of these bastards in their place.  Doing so resulted in consequences ranging from: dropping you a peer group, full times, indefinite work assignments, ascent, etc.  Having your own oppinion or own way of doing things was unacceptable.  You had to be the cedu staff super emotional being clone. You were trapped and had to conform.  In the end it isnt all that bad to go along with the program just so things were easier on you and you didn't have to deal with all the mess.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2004, 09:03:00 PM »
Bwahahahhahha
I remember that shit, except I can't remember wrestleing in the I want to live, dammit.If I remember right, I was either paired with a staff or didn't have a partner, becacuse I would have remembered getting to break the violence agreement. Yeah, I remember getting out of the summit, what a great feeling, 30 days and a wake up and I was home. I still have all my scrolls and posters, I should throw them away, but I vowed I would never forget, and they keep me real. I have developed a severe hatred of john denver, anne murray and other propheet singers
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2004, 10:35:00 PM »
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john denver, anne murray and other propheet singers..


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