facts on ALA

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-07 07:54:00, Anonymous wrote:

"? I have never refused to speak to anyone involved with ALA?

My apologies then. I was given the distinct impression that you had declined my generous offer to speak with you anytime.



?someone from ALA is speaking with me and refusing to identify themselves. Some people would find that a little fishy?

Some might. Others understand the reason for it; the history of which, I am not about to go into yet again.



?I do know for a fact that the children have moved more than once.?

Then you know more than I do about it. I am only aware of one move; but even if their have been two or three, I am confident the reasons are perfectly reasonable. Again, the families know where the kids are; and there maybe good reason to withhold that information from the general public or extended family.

 

?the vast majority of this blended family who is against how these people have raised this child?

Exactly how many is this vast majority? How many out of how many? And I?d be interested in Why, though I don?t think a Public Internet Board is the place to disscuss it. I assume as concerned as you are for this student; you place Some value on her privacy.



?save your judgment until you know the entire story.?

I do a little doubt, you?ll meet many in your life, more aware than I, that there are two sides  to every story.  I like what Solomon tells us, every story sounds true, until you hear the other side. However, let me again point out - this is an Open Internet Board. Privacy is an issue. Please take this into consideration.



?So are you an employee of ALA or are you still afraid to reveal yourself??

I am not afraid to revel myself. The regulars know me, and I figured they?d tip you off if you couldn?t figure it out yourself. I no longer post with my name for reasons of my own, that have nothing whatsoever to do with ALA.

I am associated with ALA; but I?m not an employee in the sence you mean it. I?m more like a friend of the family.



I do believe I understand the basis for your concerns. I don?t discount them. If you could just relax a little; Turn down the volume so to speak, I do believe you?d have much more success in being herd; and having your fears very much lessened.  You may never agree,  but you could be much less worried.  "

Karen, you never did answer the question as to where you stand on Craig's allegations and threats to sue Ginger/Fornits. What gives? Either you agree with Rogers or you don't. Personally, I am sick and tired of you program owners and parents using Fornits to promote yourselves and then when things don't go your way, threatening to sue people.  Please, if you are going to act as the official spokesperson for ALA, you really should let people know where you stand and not be afraid to sign your posts as Karen Burnett.

[Anonymous]

Lets be clear on this: I Never at any time brought up the subject. I am not using Fornits to promote anything.
I have areas of agreement, as well as disagreement with Craig as well as everybody else I have even known. Do you have a friend that you agree with on every point of every issue?
I am unaware of any sute being filed; except by PURE.
I am trying to maintain a netrual position; as I know absolutly nothing about the laws (if any) pretaining to the subject.
I do think Ginger could save herself a lot of aggravation by being more sensitive to this problem; and doing a little reasonable moderating. I feel it is the responsable thing to do, if one operates a forum.
She disagrees. Strongly.
It appears it may take a judge to settle the issue; but that dosen't mean I am happy about it.
I wish all invloved could come to a meeting of the minds that would satisfy; but I don't see that happening.
So, it seems, here come da judge; What I think and weather or not I am happy about it, matters not.

[Anonymous]

I wish all invloved could come to a meeting of the minds that would satisfy; but I don't see that happening.

Why do you say you don't see that happening?  What do you see happening?

[Anonymous]

Oh brother, you may not know the law, but you sure have an opinion, as evident by the hundreds of posts you've written, many of which you apparently regretted enough to go back later and erase.  Personally, I don't blame you for having second thoughts about your role in the I HATE CAREY crusade which was nothing more than a smear campaign, in my opinion, and a low-down dirty one at that (see Fornits Archives).  

Have you even bothered to set the record straight on your affiliation (past and/or present) with PURE?  Recruiting for direct-action lawsuit clients on the Bridge to Understanding forum?  Seems to me you are active on a host of websites, if you don't like the rules, than move on.  It's really pretty simple.

 :silly:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-07 12:58:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Oh brother, you may not know the law, but you sure have an opinion, as evident by the hundreds of posts you've written, many of which you apparently regretted enough to go back later and erase.  Personally, I don't blame you for having second thoughts about your role in the I HATE CAREY crusade which was nothing more than a smear campaign, in my opinion, and a low-down dirty one at that (see Fornits Archives).  



Have you even bothered to set the record straight on your affiliation (past and/or present) with PURE?  Recruiting for direct-action lawsuit clients on the Bridge to Understanding forum?  Seems to me you are active on a host of websites, if you don't like the rules, than move on.  It's really pretty simple.



 :silly: "

Oh yes, let's not forget .... you do have your own forum (ALA Bulletin Board).  Perhaps you could spend more time over there pontificating to your heart's content.  God knows you have a lot to say, whether it makes any sense or not, is factually correct or even relevant to the topic at hand.  Sorry to be so harsh, but enough is enough.

[Anonymous]

Goofy face anon; you are making assumptions based on scant actual knowledge, and as usual in such cases, you are mistaken.
My reasons are my own, and have nothing to do with regretting anything, I assure you.
I have felt badly about calling Carey a wwasp whore; but no to bad. I believe it to the case; but maybe ought not say so.
 It is interesting how there is always Someone trying to bring the dialog back to Carey.(Having a little trouble walking away from the lime light?) Anyway, I know it isn't Christian to despise someone so badly, and so I do try and keep it in check. As for forgiveness - as someone is bound to bring up - I find it difficult to forgive someone who refuses to admit they've done wrong. If she would admit she has done a despicable thing and ask forgiveness - I honestly believe I could manage it. But as I believe she'd rather die than admitt she could ever do anything wrong - I don't think I'll be put to the test.

Move on you say (get lost) well, I might. And if and when I do, folks like you will insist I'm evading you.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-07 18:02:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Goofy face anon; you are making assumptions based on scant actual knowledge, and as usual in such cases, you are mistaken.

My reasons are my own, and have nothing to do with regretting anything, I assure you.

I have felt badly about calling Carey a wwasp whore; but no to bad. I believe it to the case; but maybe ought not say so.

 It is interesting how there is always Someone trying to bring the dialog back to Carey.(Having a little trouble walking away from the lime light?) Anyway, I know it isn't Christian to despise someone so badly, and so I do try and keep it in check. As for forgiveness - as someone is bound to bring up - I find it difficult to forgive someone who refuses to admit they've done wrong. If she would admit she has done a despicable thing and ask forgiveness - I honestly believe I could manage it. But as I believe she'd rather die than admitt she could ever do anything wrong - I don't think I'll be put to the test.



Move on you say (get lost) well, I might. And if and when I do, folks like you will insist I'm evading you.



"

Oh, so you admit calling Ms. Bock a WWASPS Whore?  That is quite a confession coming from someone who calls themselves a Christian.  What else did you call Ms. Bock in your rush to demonize the lady?  As for forgiveness, they say "forgiveness is divine" and I believe it.  The fact that you can not (or will not) forgive someone tells me all I need to know.

Baaaaaah, beware of wolves in sheep's clothing.

 :wave:

[Anonymous]

Speaking of Carey, I just hope she finds out who posted her SSN#, called her employer, insinuated she was an "unfit" mother and CPS should be called, etc., etc., etc.,

As for the people who engaged ad-nauseum in the name-calling and despictable personal attacks on this lady, I believe YOU are the ones who should be asking for forgiveness, not erasing your posts or insisting you had some kind of moral obligation to crucify her.

Now it seems Carey has been M.I.A. for awhile, but if she is reading, I hope she and her boys are doing well.  After all, this was a mom who fearing for their safety and well-being, did something about it.  That makes her a winner in my eyes.
 
:smile:

[Anonymous]

I strongly suspect Mz Bock to be not only reading but posting. She is by no means MIA; she has just gone covert; as she has always done, when it suits her.
If she found herself a target of people's wrath, it is only b/c of the spite and hate she spewed forth and mudslinging she did.
Such stuff boomerangs.
And she is wwasp's whore. She has admitted it though not in those words. Her admission well fits the definition.
I know she is viewed as a heroin for going in and getting her boys. I too, thought that was gutsy and admirable at the time. I now see it differently. I think the lady is addicted to drama and has a deep seated need to keep trauma and turmoil going at all times. I suspect she feels like she will cease to exist without having an emotional storm going on around her. She made sure to do it in as dramatic and public a way possible; which wouldn't have been necessary, if her only motive was removing her sons.
She'll do whatever it takes to keep trouble and discord brewing and there is ample evidence of this. She has picked and hacked and attacked nearly everyone, at one point or another.
Should all these folks forgive her, without her admitting wrong doing and asking for forgiveness?
I don?t think so.
You are free to disagree.

[Anonymous]

I strongly suspect Mz Bock to be not only reading but posting. She is by no means MIA; she has just gone covert; as she has always done, when it suits her.  

Can you give examples as to your statement "She is by no means MIA, she has just gone covert; as she has always done, when it suits her."

[Anonymous]

If she found herself a target of people's wrath, it is only b/c of the spite and hate she spewed forth and mudslinging she did.

Mudslinging or disclosing?

I see it more as disclosing information on a very hot topic.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-08 08:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I strongly suspect Mz Bock to be not only reading but posting. She is by no means MIA; she has just gone covert; as she has always done, when it suits her.

If she found herself a target of people's wrath, it is only b/c of the spite and hate she spewed forth and mudslinging she did.

Such stuff boomerangs.

And she is wwasp's whore. She has admitted it though not in those words. Her admission well fits the definition.

I know she is viewed as a heroin for going in and getting her boys. I too, thought that was gutsy and admirable at the time. I now see it differently. I think the lady is addicted to drama and has a deep seated need to keep trauma and turmoil going at all times. I suspect she feels like she will cease to exist without having an emotional storm going on around her. She made sure to do it in as dramatic and public a way possible; which wouldn't have been necessary, if her only motive was removing her sons.

She'll do whatever it takes to keep trouble and discord brewing and there is ample evidence of this. She has picked and hacked and attacked nearly everyone, at one point or another.

Should all these folks forgive her, without her admitting wrong doing and asking for forgiveness?

I don?t think so.

You are free to disagree. "

Anon, most people have figured out Bock is/was not the boogie-man despite how hard you and your compadres in the I HATE CAREY CLUB tried to make it so. Personally I think the lady was lucky to be kicked out of what sounds like a veritable hornet's nest.  

 :roll:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-08 08:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I know she is viewed as a heroin for going in and getting her boys. I too, thought that was gutsy and admirable at the time. I now see it differently. I think the lady is addicted to drama and has a deep seated need to keep trauma and turmoil going at all times. I suspect she feels like she will cease to exist without having an emotional storm going on around her. She made sure to do it in as dramatic and public a way possible; which wouldn't have been necessary, if her only motive was removing her sons."

 :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:

[Anonymous]

By the way, that's heroine (not heroin, as in the drug).

 :flame:

Lastly, Carey may not be an angel, but she sure is hell ain't some wolf in sheep's clothing.

Baaaaaaaah......

 :rofl:

[Anonymous]

On 2004-04-08 08:12:00, Anonymous wrote:

"I strongly suspect Mz Bock to be not only reading but posting. She is by no means MIA; she has just gone covert; as she has always done, when it suits her.

If she found herself a target of people's wrath, it is only b/c of the spite and hate she spewed forth and mudslinging she did.

Such stuff boomerangs.

And she is wwasp's whore. She has admitted it though not in those words. Her admission well fits the definition.

I know she is viewed as a heroin for going in and getting her boys. I too, thought that was gutsy and admirable at the time. I now see it differently. I think the lady is addicted to drama and has a deep seated need to keep trauma and turmoil going at all times. I suspect she feels like she will cease to exist without having an emotional storm going on around her. She made sure to do it in as dramatic and public a way possible; which wouldn't have been necessary, if her only motive was removing her sons.

She'll do whatever it takes to keep trouble and discord brewing and there is ample evidence of this. She has picked and hacked and attacked nearly everyone, at one point or another.

Should all these folks forgive her, without her admitting wrong doing and asking for forgiveness?

I don?t think so.

You are free to disagree. "

My impression from Carey's statements on this subject is that she was "advised" to take bodyguards (escorts?) and I believe, an educational consultant with her to Costa Rica, all at her personal expense.  Is this not correct?  If so, who advised her that this was appropriate and/or necessary?